[DarkRose]

Just thought I'd get this thread ready for tomorrow's episode. I missed last weeks and forgot to set the VCR, so I'm a little behind.

[SageTheRage]

Sorry, bad news there DarkRose. "Lost" won't be on due to a 3hr. finale of "Bachelors". I too am a big fan of the latest sci-fi mystery show and am heavily involved in another forum discussing it. I'm hopelessly hooked!

I only wish I had a way to tape the episodes so I can share them after the season is over with a dear friend of mine who hasn't watched any of it. At this point, my friend has agreed to not begin midstream as it would be spoiled by not knowing all the intricate ins/outs of what's transpired already but opts to wait til we get together and start watching from the beginning. You know how it is with all the deeply hidden "clues". However, due to a non-functioning VCR, I've not been able to tape any of the episodes.

I imagine though, that after the season concludes, a collector's set will be available. I'll be sure to ask for it as a gift and then enjoy the show all over again through the eyes of my friend. I'm looking forward to it.

The theories I've got swirling around in my head regarding this show are staggering. Dang but its a great puzzle that I'm enjoying putting together each week. Some of which are clues that stemmed from the very first episode that are just now coming to light.

One piece that is alluding me though (and I know it must be a clue) is the name of the tune playing on the music box that Sayid (dreamboat that he is!!!!) fixed for Danielle. The scriptwriters and cameramen made a big deal of it and spent a lot of time showing it so I know it had to mean something but I can't recall the tune. Can you?

[DarkRose]

:freakout:
AUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Okay, having gotten that out of the way:

That's the episode I missed and the one time they DIDN"T replay it on Saturday. But if I catch it or hear of it from someone else, I'll let you know. I'm gonna have to play catch up as well, because I was just watching it without paying attention to all the clues.

Also, new forum, new digs; I got dibbies on Sayid! BWHAHAHAHAHA ! :jedi:
I'll fight ya for him!

[Delta Lady]

Are they having a rerun Saturday?

[SageTheRage]

Oh no! You're a Sayid girl too? Geez, I've got my work cut out for me then!!!! Over on the other thread, there are those that salivate over him too ....BUT... they also have the hots for Sawyer so I improvished a "timeshare" situation in which we'd each get our week with the hunky guys. Wait, it gets better 'cos the one gal wasn't quick enough to put in her bid and the other gal opted for Sawyer first. Fine by me 'cos that means I get Sayid first and there was no way in hell that I was gonna let him go after my week was up! See how nicely that all worked out? :juggle:

Yeah, well til I came over here with you, DarkRose :( :D

Ok, ok, since you were the thread starter, I rightfully bow to you and let you have first dibs (and prolly keepsies) of my beloved :love: Sayid ... guess I'l just haffta "suffer" & "settle" for Sawyer! :oops:

As long as I can get him to keep that scruffy, sexy look we'll do fine. Then again, that super slicked back hair in that oh so nicely fitting business suit he wore in his flashback sequence wasn't too hard on the eyes :kinky:

But if you should find yourself tiring of Sayid, you know where to find me :wave:

[DarkRose]

Weeellllll..... if Sawyer should show any redeeming qualities later, I might trade you back and forth. However, to show I'm not competely selfish, I'll loan you Sayid on your Birthdays and whatever Winter Holiday, you choose to celebrate! :toast: As for trying to keep him past that.....Wouldn't try it! :jedi: :D

[shyLurker]

Did anyone figure out the melody from the music box?

Loretta V.

[SageTheRage]

Not yet on the music box melody, shyLurker. I know it definitely means something...yet another "clue". I've asked about it on another board that I am heavily involved in concerning "Lost" but none of them have been able to identify the tune either.

All I know is that I'm having withdrawals tonight :( So am hoping to find solace in a bunch of junk food (which will include lots of chocolate) to mollify myself and go ponder all the "theories" airing on the other site and hope it tides me over the worst of the jitters :brokenup:

[SageTheRage]

Rumor has it that Sayid develops a romantic interest in an upcoming episode. At first I was thinking that it was confusion on the part of some with Sayid's flashback about Nadia but supposedly such is not the case. Its is believed to be with Danielle and some specualtion on perhaps it being that dippy Shannon....gawd I hope not!

I dunno, I just don't see it with Shannon at all and as far as Danielle, I'm not so convinced on that score either. I'm wondering if it is a case of confusion in being "behind" and the rumored talk is actually a reflection on Sayid's flashback.

Any of you heard this "rumor"?

[Arubi]

Next Episode:
Wednesday, December 1, 8/7c
"Raised by Another"
Jack, Kate and Charlie wonder if Claire's disturbing nightmares might be coming true to threaten her life and the life of her unborn child, and a missing castaway returns with frightening news about what lies just beyond the mountains.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

[Arubi]

:(

November 28, 2004

Upcoming December Repeats

After two new episodes on December 1st and 8th, Lost will go into reruns until January 5. ABC will air the first 6 episodes on December 15, 22 and 29 in the regular 8 p.m. slot and also 9 p.m.

Pilot (1) & Pilot (2) from 8 to 10 p.m. on the 15th

Tabula Rasa & Walkabout on the 22nd from 8 to 10p.m. on the 22nd

White Rabbit & House of the Rising Sun on the 29th from 8 to 10p.m.
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-24313/

[Arubi]

Here on the Hawaii set of ABC's hit drama Lost — that twisty mystery series about plane crash survivors fending for themselves on a South Pacific island inhabited by polar bears, a sadistic Frenchwoman, and unseen monsters — the cameras roll as Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Jack (Matthew Fox) stare at a mound of dirt marked with a wooden cross.

''Why didn't you just put him with the others when you burned the fuselage?'' asks Kate.

''Because I needed to bury him,'' explains Dr. Jack solemnly.

The two pull out some makeshift shovels and begin exhuming the dead guy, a U.S. marshal who was bringing fugitive Kate to justice before disaster struck. See, this marshal carried a wallet. And that wallet contained a key. And that key opens an impenetrable briefcase. And the contents of that case are important enough for them to endure this hellish process, which involves gagging, maggots, and a startling betrayal that the island gods want to keep hush-hush for now.

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,831087_3_0_,00.html
:eek:

[SageTheRage]

Thx for the rerun info, Arubi. Perhaps I will now be able to tape all the prior shows and then tape each new episode beginning this week. I am extremely grateful for your update!!!!!

[Arubi]

Here is a link for a very detailed rundown of each episode.:)

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/9.html

[SageTheRage]

The scheduled re-runs would cover episodes 1-6 but what about # 7, 8 & 9?

#7 is: "The Moth" (Charlie's flashback & the stay on beach vs. go to cave area decision amongst the islanders)

#8 is: "Confidence Man" (Sawyer's flashback & the discovery by Kate of the book, Watership Down}

#9 is: "Solitary" (Sayid's flashback & his run-in with Danielle)

I haven't seen any schedule for when those will be re-aired.

I am finally (hopefully) going to be able to tape 1-6 and all future episodes beginning with #10 tomorrow, "Raised by Another" but will be sorely lacking #7-9. I've been given links to join a club and download them but even were I to spend the money to join, I am on dialup so it wouldn't work too well at all.

If anyone has extra copies of 7, 8, 9, I'd be MORE than happy to reimburse you for the cost of the tape, mailing and your time. We can exchange mailing addys via PM.

[rb.]

Well, only 44 more hours to go to the next ep.

Oh, and Sage...after the clip I saw of Sawyer and Sayid in this next episode, there ain't NO WAY I'm giving up Sawyer yet. :P

[SageTheRage]

Well dang it, girl!!!!! :buttkick:

[rb.]

Well, ok. But can ya' hang on another week? He gets quite "manly" in this clip. :D

[rb.]

IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!!!! :cheers: :rocking: :freakout: :rofl:

[rb.]

I found a pic of Claire's necklace. Does anyone know what it is or means?

[Mary]

Okay, so this is where you all went. You guys can fight over Sayid and Sawyer. I'll take Locke any day!!!

I still think the necklace is a chinese symbol for Chaos. And, like Sage, I need to know what that song is. (Bet it has something to do with the color red, just a hunch)

Nice to see you all :D

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :rolleyes:

[rb.]

MARY!! :wave: Glad you're here.

I'm off to see if I can resume ownership of some of my Lost posts elsewhere. Wish me luck.

[rb.]

AACK!

Your membership has been terminated.
;)

Guess I'm back to square one on the posts.

[SageTheRage]

Mary is here????? MY Mary???? The one with no garden nor lamb? *THAT* Mary??? YIPPIE!!!!!!!!!! I am thrilled to have you here my dear. I wanted to invite you so many times but wasn't sure how it would go over due to all the turmoil on TB, sigh. :re:

Hey guys, Arubi, rb., Mary and DarkRose, and any others here on CE who have been involved in the looooooooong saga of posts over on TB concerning "Lost"..what say we collaborate and get those posts over here? I know we can't use EVERYONE's posts because they are 'owned' by those who posted them but what if we, for continuity's sake, were to paraphrase? Also, we'd need to be sure we 'sanitized' their names if we were quoting, of course. Collaboration would be key so we don't have missed posts, non-sequential posts, free-flowing posts, etc or else chaos rather than continuity would reign supreme.

I dunno if this is a viable solution but we've been heavily involved in some greater than great theories and so forth over there and it sure would get CE's "Lost" thread a-hoppin' if we could manage this "move".

Any ideas/suggestions?

[Brooks]

rb, here ya go for a starter. 1,697 (and counting) postings by the addicts at FansOfRealityTV.com:

http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35023

[rb.]

Thanks, Brooks, gonna' check it out now.

[shyLurker]

Welcome Mary!

Loretta V.

[rb.]

Ok, to start, some people have speculated, in the beginning, the following:

Episode 1, The Pilot (for me it was 2 hours, but I'll go with the original 1 hour showing)

SPECULATION:
- Jurassic Park-like monster at work here

-King Kong-like

- why the pilot wasn’t consumed as food for the “monster”

- who do the handcuffs belong to, as in prisoner (we now know it was Kate)

- possibility that Shannon is anorexic. I think maybe she’s been modelling. Got the ‘tude.

- time travel to an earlier time where dinosaurs roamed the earth. (Anyone remember that kids’ show, Land of the Lost? Sorry, couldn’t help myself. Loved that show)

http://www.lost-tv.com/
Summary

The survivors are forced to build a new society and live together despite their different backgrounds. It's probably going to be as Machiavellian as the CBS reality series Survivor, so I'd expect a lot of psychological drama (and trauma) on the show. Also, "it's going to have Michael Crichton-esque elements of a thriller with strong characters. One of the biggest priorities in developing the piece is to have it done in a way that it can sustain over the long term as a regular series."


KUDOS:

- for movie-like quality
- use of flashbacks in backstories. Helps keep interest and build the characters.
- the guy sucked into the plane’s engine was a cool effect

KAYOS:

- not seeking food, shelter, water fast enough. This, though, we’ve learned isn’t really true. They seem to be moving through only a day or two at most per episode, so they’re doing ok, I think, given that they originally expected a rescue party.
- Claire went flying, landing on her belly when there was an explosion, and didn’t go right into labour.

DETAILS:

- 1000 miles off course, pilot turned due to radio failure. (failure *may* be important later)

Hour 2 next up.

[linttrap]

I caught something watching the rerun of the first episode last night that I didn't see AT ALL the first night.

When Walt was looking through the Spanish comic book one of the images he flipped past was a Polar Bear!! Later on, they kill a polar bear.

I think Walt's mind generated the polar bear and maybe even re-created his dog Vincent after the crash. Or is the Island plucking images from everyone's mind and making them real?

I don't have a clue how this fits into the overall picture but the polar bear connection really jumped out at me watching the rerun.

And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?

Thoughts?

Love this show! :yes:

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?

Wasn't it an orange peel?

[Arubi]

I'll try to add some of my "finds"


Questions fly as `Lost' lumbers into existence
By Sarah Rodman
Sunday, October 10, 2004

``No, it's not a dinosaur.''

Just in case you were wondering if the castaways on ABC's new survival drama ``Lost'' (Wednesdays at 8 p.m. on WCVB, Ch. 5) had crash-landed in ``Jurassic Park,'' co-creator J.J. Abrams assured journalists recently that it is not a hungry T. Rex sizing up dashing surgeon Jack (Matthew Fox) or junkie rock star Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) as snack food.

Just what is that creature thrashing about in the palm trees and other questions the 18 million viewers who tuned in for the first two episodes might have - such as ``Why aren't they rationing food?'' and ``Where did that polar bear come from?'' - won't be answered anytime soon, he said.

``This is the fodder for the show,'' said Abrams, the man also behind ``Alias'' and ``Felicity.'' ``These are the things that I hope people, when they see it, are going to think, `What's going to happen to that pregnant girl?' and `Is that guy going to have withdrawal?' I hope people tune in to see how these characters deal with that and what it does to the group.''

One thing that definitely had an impact on the group was the white-knuckle crash sequence that will be revisited from different characters' points of view throughout the first season of the show.

Jorge Garcia, who plays the burly but squeamish Hurley, said he wasn't nervous flying back from the show's location in Hawaii after shooting the pilot episode.

``Now on plane flights, it goes into my head for a second because there's a lot of visuals of like the tail breaking off and the guy flying out,'' he said. ``That crosses my mind. Every time I sit down on the plane, I think about it for a second, but I've always been a little morbid on planes.''

``After seeing when it drops, you can't really get that image out of your mind, but, you know, at least it's quick, isn't it? Hopefully,'' said Naveen Andrews, who draws suspicion as an Iraqi who formerly served in the Republican Guard.

``I'm actually a pilot; I fly sailplanes and gliders, so I'm comfortable in the air, but after doing that crash sequence, to be honest with you, yeah, it made me think about it a little bit more,'' said Fox. ``The weird thing is now all my castmates and I are going to fly back to Hawaii tomorrow morning on the same flight,'' he added with half-joking unease.

If that seems like a grim thought, it's one Fox is prepared to handle. As Charlie Salinger on ``Party of Five,'' his character was forced to care for his young siblings after their parents were killed in a drunken driving accident. More recently on the short-lived ``Haunted,'' he played a policeman whose son was abducted and whose own near-death experience made him a conduit to the spiritual realm.

``I'm attracted to dark material,'' he said with a laugh. ``I find my comfort level telling intense stories, telling stories that are slightly hypereal, and I like to see how people are going to behave in very, very extraordinary circumstances.''

``Lost'' will be about the people, menacing jungle monster of nebulous origin notwithstanding. ``It is in no way in the spotlight of the show,'' said Abrams, who promised survival will be the first order of business and that the monster won't be some kind of scaly, tropical Donald Trump ``firing'' cast members each week.

The creature will be ``more of an underlying threat,'' he said. ``It's more about what it represents. If you have something that represents terror and fear and the darkness of this place, to me that's incredibly valuable.''

Not to mention a whole lot more interesting than stegosauruses and sleestacks.


http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvN...294&format=text

[Arubi]

LOST Tops the Charts and Gets A New Character!!!

For four weeks in a row (all four of its telecasts), Lost has been the No. 1 program in its hour among viewers and young adults. On its most recent telecast (10/13/04), Lost ranked as the No. 1 TV program of the night in Total Viewers and Adults 18-49. In addition, on the ame night the new drama drew its largest overall audience since its debut episode (9/22/04) and hit series highs in Adults 18-49, Adults 18-34, Teens 12-17 and Kids 2-11. Compared to the first four weeks of last season, Lost has improved the hour for ABC by 6.1 million viewers (17.6 million vs. 11.5 million) and by 40% in Adults 18-49 (6.6/18 vs. 4.7/13). (from comingsoon.net)

William Mapother told SCI FI Wire that he will appear in upcoming episodes of the ABC SF series Lost, playing a mysterious character named Ethan, but he added that he can't reveal many details. "I've thought about this, and frankly, I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't inadvertently reveal something important," Mapother said in an interview. "I can only imagine the horrors they'd subject my character to if I squawked." He added, "Worse than killing me, they'll write me off if I spill anything." (from SciFi Wire)
(2:56 PM)
http://www.lost-tv.com/

[Arubi]

Ex-Hobbit enjoys being 'Lost'

November 21, 2004

By MARISA GUTHRIE New York Daily News

Getting stranded on an inhospitable island with a bunch of nefarious characters and a bloodthirsty beast that lurks in the bushes has turned out to be a good thing for Dominic Monaghan.

The British actor acquired cult fame status by playing the hairy-footed Hobbit Merry Brandybuck in the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. And now his smoldering portrayal as tortured rocker Charlie on ABC's "Lost" has positioned him as one of the hit show's breakout stars.

"It's great to be in a show that people actually watch," Monaghan says.

"My friends watch it," he continues. "And it's great because they're not tuning in to (bad) show just to see me. They watch it because they want to watch it."

The actor has seen his share of bad TV, most of it in his native England. Although he has the blockbuster "Lord of the Rings" movies to his credit, he had few reservations about committing to an American TV project.

"American television is just a lot more dynamic and creative," he says. "There seems to be quite a lot invested in American television. They take it really quite seriously over here, which is really refreshing. They give it a lot of weight."

The new show revolves around a group of people stranded on an island after a plane crash.

The cast of "Lost" is sequestered on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, where they endure a grueling production schedule and little advance warning of plot developments lest spoilers end up on the myriad "Lost" fan sites.

"They track all the scripts so if one turns up on eBay, they will know who did it," Monaghan says. "They keep up with what's being said on the Internet and make sure that they confirm or deny rumors that pop up."

But Monaghan has some information about upcoming episodes.

"In future flashbacks, you're going to see Charlie (at) the height of his heroin addiction," he says.

"We're definitely going to see more of the monster," he adds, offering another snippet of plot. "At least one of the major characters is going to die by the end of the season. And the monster could be the reason that character gets lost."

On whether there is a supernatural element, Monaghan is more cryptic.

"Everyone on the island," he says, "is linked in some way."

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs...1016/FEATURES07

[Arubi]

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...t/showid-24313/


Preview of Dec. 1 episode


http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...13/epid-366355/

Preview of Dec. 8 episode

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...13/epid-373402/

[Arubi]

Might as well dig into other info about the show. I wanted to see what the authors are like. J. J. Abrams co-created the show with Damon Lindelof


Turning Brawny Action Drama Into Sensitive Soap Opera
By LAURA MILLER

Published: November 21, 2004


O learn why J. J. Abrams has recently won a reputation as one of the most exhilarating storytellers in television, see the fourth episode of "Lost," the new hit castaway series Mr. Abrams co-created. The show follows the survivors of a plane crash on a tropical island, and at first it seems to feature the instantly recognizable types you'd expect in any ensemble drama, or any television show whatsoever. There's the stout-hearted hero, the plucky girl, the malcontent, the adorable child. But then there's Locke, a balding, middle-aged loner with a suitcase full of hunting knives and a penchant for making creepy pronouncements about the providential nature of the crash. He's the what - the half-unhinged survivalist, perhaps?

While Locke narrowly avoids being eaten on a hunting expedition, flashbacks show us that - hold on - he's really just a gentle office drone who has long dreamed of trekking through the Australian bush. But when Locke finally arranges his trip, the guide tells him that because of his " condition," he can't set out after all. As the camera pulls back, we discover that - cue the big dramatic flourish - Locke must use a wheelchair. But, wait a minute, the crash has miraculously restored the use of his legs. Cut to commercial!

The intentional misrepresentation of a character, the piquant revelation that makes you think you have the real story, then the unapologetically melodramatic twist, all set within a do-or-die face-off with menacing foes: these are the trademarks of a J. J. Abrams show. And Locke isn't the only character with an omigod back story: everyone in "Lost" turns out to harbor deep secrets. The plucky girl, for instance, is actually a mysterious outlaw in the custody of a sinister United States marshal who died after the crash.

It's a big, splashy vision, full of death and drama, that fuses the intrigues and revelations of the soap opera genre to the expensive stunts and exotic sets of a lavish action movie. Mr. Abrams's other ABC series, "Alias," which follows the outlandish adventures of a C.I.A. agent played by Jennifer Garner, has earned a devoted if cultish following for its similar blend of interpersonal travails and derring-do. And now that "Lost" is up and running, Mr. Abrams has returned to writing "The Catch," the pilot he was working on when ABC persuaded him to develop the castaway show. There's also the little matter of "Mission: Impossible 3," the megabudget Tom Cruise vehicle, which Mr. Abrams will rewrite and direct, with shooting set to begin next June. Mr. Abrams, who got his start writing unremarkable feel-good films and earned his big break with an earnest television series about a pretty but nerdy college girl, has become an unlikely and somewhat subversive keeper of the action-suspense form.

On a rainy day in October, pinging around the Disney ABC lot in Burbank, Calif., Mr. Abrams, 38, resembled the Tasmanian Devil of the old Warner Brothers cartoons, but instead of destruction, he left a trail of episodes, pilots and screenplays in his wake. In addition to his immediate projects, he is planning a half-hour comedy starring Cheri Oteri, and is supervising the development of two more dramatic series, one about con artists hired by the government to catch criminals and another that he describes as a "next-generation 'thirtysomething.' "

Mr. Abrams may be the most interruptible human being alive. Visit his office, and you're likely to see him switch from untangling the intricate plot problems of an unwritten "Alias" episode with the producers Jeff Pinkner and Jesse Alexander, to tinkering with the sound mix of a "Lost" episode to be broadcast in less than 36 hours, to finagling a product-placement deal for the last candy bar left on the "Lost" island, and then back to the "Alias" conundrum. Subdivide the average human being's attention and it frays; Mr. Abrams's seems only to sharpen.

In the middle of fine-tuning post-production work for some bee special effects for "Lost," Mr. Abrams jumped up to play back a joke voice-mail message left by the actor Greg Grunberg, expertly impersonating an aged doctor calling with some very unfortunate test results. Mr. Grunberg, who has been Mr. Abrams's best friend since kindergarten, has appeared in all of his television series, beginning with "Felicity" in 1998, and he'll star in "The Catch."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/a...ion/21mill.html

[Arubi]

The Denver Post


Diversity definitely not "Lost" on ABC series
By Ellen Gray
Knight-Ridder Newspapers


Wednesday, November 17, 2004 -

Television executives like to talk about "colorblind casting," a process that more often than not produces series pilots that are blindingly white.

Occasionally, that's followed, an episode or two later, by the addition of a minority actor or two, after the show's safely sold.

So how did ABC's "Lost," (7 tonight on KMGH-Channel 7) whose plane-crash scenario didn't make it conducive to parachuting in actors later on, manage to create one of TV's most diverse casts right from the beginning?

"I don't think it was colorblind. I think it was color-conscious" casting, suggests actor Harold Perrineau ("Oz"), who plays Michael, a father getting to know his son (Malcolm David Kelley) for the first time.

Besides the African-American father and son, the show's core cast includes an Arab character (played by Naveen Andrews, a British actor of Indian descent) and a Korean couple, all stranded together on an island after a flight from Australia crashes. Plus, there's actor Jorge Garcia, whose character, Hurley, may not be Latino but certainly adds some diversity of his own as one of the larger characters on TV.

"Hey, that's what the world looks like. It doesn't look like 'The O.C,"' said Perrineau. "From my point of view, the world looks like the island."

"What's cool about that, actually, is that on an international flight, you have people from all different countries, so it doesn't feel forced at all," said Daniel Dae Kim ("24," "Angel"), a Korean-born, American-reared actor whose "Lost" character, Jin, speaks no English whatsoever.

Kim owes his job in part to Yunjin Kim, the Korean-born actress who plays his wife, whose audition for another role in the show "blew us away," executive producer Damon Lindelof said.

"We realized that she spoke fluent Korean and decided that we should have a Korean character on the island. And maybe it was a husband and wife."

Lindelof's fellow executive producer, J.J. Abrams, added that "one of the things we were talking about before then was we knew we wanted to have a couple that didn't speak English."

For Daniel Dae Kim, it's "an opportunity because I haven't had a chance to speak any Korean in any of the projects I've done. And I've really made it a point to try and take roles that are as assimilated as possible, so this is a real great chance to explore a whole different side of my career."

Perrineau is happy to be part of another large ensemble.

"I'm really interested in the overall of a thing. So to be part of this project that overall I think has the potential for something great, it's OK if I lay back and wait and let the character develop slowly while other characters develop, because I think the overall" impact is what matters, he said.

[Arubi]

Behind the Scenes of "Lost" with Naveen Andrews
From Rebecca Murray,Your Guide to Hollywood Movies.

Misbehave and You Might Get Eaten
Millions of TV viewers have fallen in love with the new dramatic TV series, "Lost." With each passing week, the audience is pulled further and further into the world of a small group of plane crash survivors who have to make do on a remote island.
As if surviving a horrific crash wasn't bad enough, there's something truly terrifying inhabiting the island. Something the audience hasn't seen yet, but that a very select few characters on the series have met face-to-face. Starring Naveen Andrews, Matthew Fox, Dominic Monaghan, Ian Somerhalder, and Evangeline Lilly - to name just a few - "Lost" succeeds in bringing something brand spanking new and fresh to TV.

INTERVIEW WITH NAVEEN ANDREWS ('Sayid'):

Have you shot your backstory episode?
Yes. We’ve shot that and it should be out in two or three weeks.

What’s it like shooting parallel stories?
It was great. A lot of fun. I was very lucky in that I had a very good cast to work with, and also to put roots down for the character. You get this whole sense of what he’s been through in terms of being a soldier in the Republican Guard in the way Iraq was at that time. And also what happens to him on the island is crazy, just crazy.

Will it change the way you play the character?
Very much so. You now see him going in a more… I won’t say who, but he links up romantically with one of the other women on the island.

Is it weird to do several episodes before you learn something new?
No, because I think one of the great things about this particular medium as opposed to film, which as you know is a beginning, an arc and an end. It’s finite. With this, you're basically learning about the character as the audience does. I think that’s the kind of balance that should happen. And at first, it was scary. It was frightening to be literally shooting in the dark. But if we were given all those beats to play early on, say in the pilot, if I knew what his backstory was, who he was going to link with, I would have played all those beats. And it wouldn’t have been appropriate. It wouldn’t have been good. It wouldn’t have worked, in other words.

You do, obviously, make some wrong choices that would show, but I think it’s pretty good not knowing. And it’s only something that I’ve recently perceived. I perceived it about two weeks into it. I remember talking to [the show’s creators, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof] and they said, “Well, how much would you like to know? Do you need to know?” And I said, “No, I’d actually prefer not knowing.” You don’t want to play something that you hit it over a hammer and then when it finally comes… It shouldn’t be a surprise for the wrong reasons. It should be a surprise for the right reasons.

What do you think is in the woods?
We honestly don’t know what it is. At first I thought it was like a Dr. Moreau thing, like somebody must have built something that goes around and eats people. But I honestly think it’s a device put in by the producers that if any of the actors get out of hand, they get eaten by a monster. And it’s true. Everyone’s s**t scared of being eaten.

So if you behave, we’ll never find out?
But somebody’s going to blow their top. You know what actors are like. Somebody’s not going to come out of their trailer. Somebody’s going to freak out at one point for whatever reason, and they’ll get eaten. And you don’t even have to see it. Just, “Oh, he got eaten.”

If you were in that position, would you move by the water supply or stay with the fire?
I’d stay with the fire because we haven’t been there that long. Somebody could come. We already know what’s lurking in the interior. Christ, I want to be away from that as long as possible.

Is it hard to get into the mindset of this island survivor when you’re living the life of luxury in Hawaii?
We’re all very different actors. Some of us, I guess, try to go for as much of the reality as we possibly can. In so much, in so far as is humanly possible to do so. Eventually, we’re all going to have to start looking like skeletons at some point. But at this point in time, it’s still too early to show things like rotting sores.

And there’s enough boar…
I sincerely hope so.

Have things changed a lot for you yet with the success of “Lost?”
One of the nicest things about being in Hawaii is that we’re away from all that bulls**t. We’re not really aware of it in the same way as we would be if we were in LA. And it’s great because none of that s**t has anything to do with the work.

Are you getting better opportunities?
Oh yeah, definitely. And I have to face the fact that a lot of people watch television. It’s a different level of fame. It’s not like an arthouse movie-kind of thing. You literally are in people’s homes. And that’s different, I have to say.

* * * http://romanticmovies.about.com/od/...osttv111204.htm

[Arubi]

Actresses plan to glam
it up for the holidays
The Ladies of 'Lost'

By Tim Ryan
tryan@starbulletin.com
It's getting to look and feel a lot like Christmas for everyone, including the "castaways" of ABC's hit series "Lost."

The four female co-stars -- Evangeline Lilly, Emilie de Ravin, Yunjin Kim and Maggie Grace -- are looking forward to a two-week holiday hiatus and a chance to swap their survival garb for dress-up events.

The Star-Bulletin asked the actors about their fashion likes and dislikes, and holiday hopes and dreams.

continued at link;

http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/12/features/story2.html

[Arubi]

WARNING! THE FOLLOWING EPISODE TITLES AND DESCRIPTIONS MAY BE CONSIDERED SPOILERS! DON'T CONTINUE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!






Episode 12: Whatever the Case May Be
Jack, Kate and Sawyer fight over possession of a newly discovered locked metal briefcase which might contain insights into Kate's mysterious past. Meanwhile, Sayid asks a reluctant Shannon to translate notes he took from the French woman, a rising tide threatens to engulf the fuselage and the entire beach encampment, and Rose and a grieving Charlie tentatively bond over Claire's baffling disappearance.
Original US Airdate: 05 January 2005
Written by:
Directed by:
Promo Pictures | Screencaps



Episode 13: Hearts and Minds
When Locke learns that Boone wants to tell their "secret" to Shannon, Shannon's life is placed in sudden peril, and the shocking truth about her past with Boone is revealed. Meanwhile, Kate is puzzled by Sun's mysterious behavior, and a hungry Hurley must repay a debt to Jin.
Original US Airdate: 12 January 2005
Written by:
Directed by:
Promo Pictures | Screencaps

http://www.lost-tv.com/episodes/

[Arubi]

There are currently 14 major characters on the series. We're going to add character information (as well as memorable moments and quotable quotes) soon.

Jack (Matthew Fox)
A doctor, he emerges as the leader of the castaways. He has a lot of skills which come in handy in a crisis situation, but he's not without his own skeletons in his closet.

Kate (Evangeline Lilly)
A fugitive from the law, she was travelling with a US Marshal when the plane crashed. Not much is known of her crime. For Kate (which may or may not be her real name), the crash represents a fresh start for her.

Charlie (Dominic Monaghan)
The bass player for the band Drive Shaft. He has a drug addiction, and as of now still has a stash which he retrieved from the plane.

Hurley (Jorge Garcia)
Warm, nice, and friendly. He's a big guy, willing to help, but is queasy at the sight of blood. Says "dude" a lot.

Boone (Ian Somerhalder)
Shannon's brother. Works as a lifeguard, but he may have to rethink that. May be wealthy.

Shannon (Maggie Grace)
Boone's sister. She holds on to the belief that they will be rescued soon. Also holds on to the belief that the world must obey her every whim. "Studied" in Paris. May be wealthy.

Michael (Harold Perrineau)
A father who flies to Australia to gain custody of a son he hasn't seen in years after the death of his ex-wife.

Walt (Malcolm David Kelley)
Michael's 9-year-old son who's travelling with his father after his mother's death. Has a pet dog, Vincent.

Sayid (Naveen Andrews)
A former member of the Iraqi Republican Guard who served in the Gulf War. He's handy with electronics, and terribly good in Math.

Sawyer (Josh Holloway)
Hot-tempered and rough-and-tumble. Appears to be the typical Southern redneck, yet he has a softer side which occassionally shines through his exterior.

Locke (Terry O'Quinn)
A mysterious man who seems far too at ease in this situation. He may hold the key to where they are and how they got there.

Jin (Daniel Dae Kim)
One half of a non-English speaking Korean couple. He is controlling and protective of his wife, Sun.

Sun (Yunjin Kim)
One half of a non-English speaking Korean couple. She seems to be forced into a conservative role, but seems to have a rebellious streak in her.

Claire (Emilie De Ravin)
An Australian woman 8 months pregnant, even though she's single. "Very modern of me," she says.

http://www.lost-tv.com/characters/

[linttrap]

"And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?"

"Wasn't it an orange peel?"


That's what I thought the first time I saw it but I wasn't so sure after the re-run...the orange color had an unnatural brightness to it. Of course, having seen subsequent episodes I now expect everything to be a little off kilter and that may have "colored" the whole thing to my eyes. :D

I taped it and plan to go back and examine a few things more closely.

Linttrap

[rb.]

It was a section of orange, including the peel, that he was chewing on. I don't know if he opened his lips to smile, or to hint to Kate, without letting others know, that there may be oranges available.

I'm still working on hour 2, but I have to run out for a few hours. Should have it posted soon, to be followed by more in hopes of bringing this thread up to date.

[rb.]

'K. Here's a summary of points regarding hour 2 of the pilot.

Episode: Pilot

Episode 2

DETAILS:
- chicks in bathing suits and underwear. uh...how come they don’t do that with the men? ;)
-whose handcuffs are these anyway?
-the Korean couple has an odd relationship, and the husband isn’t interested in mixing it up with the rest. Wifey doesn’t seem happy. He likes sushi, and tries to feed it to a laughing Hurley, and succeeds in feeding it to pregnant Claire.
-Kate is revealed as the wearer of the handcuffs via the flashback while on the plane
-Sayid tells he was in the Republican Guard, a communications officer
-Kate’s arresting officer, a US Marshall, has his shrapnel removed by Doc Jack
- Hurley can’t handle seeing blood
-Sawyer can shoot and kill a polar bear, but it’s not a polar bear knocking down the trees in the forest.
-Sawyer will stay and shoot when everyone else runs. :D Ok, so no one else had a gun...I’ll admit it.
-a signal is picked up of the French woman (Danielle) that has been transmitting in a loop for 16 years. “Help me, they’re all dead. It killed them all.” That’s just part of the message
-Charlie’s a junkie
-Claire felt the baby kick once again when she ate the Korean guy’s sushi
- one dark, one light, Locke holding up backgammon pieces.

SPECULATION:
-Korean wifey will jump ship and hook up with an American, or at least a less controlling guy’
- Junkie Charlie needs to go.
-Charlie will be difficult to cope with once out of drugs
- with only one doctor, Jack will be quite a busy guy
- Sayid is a valuable guy to have around, having fixed the radio and knowing how it works/how to use it.
-how is it that Claire hasn’t lost her baby yet with everything she’s been through physically?
-Locke is weird, spooky, bizarre, etc., possibly a government agent or scientist
-that the Korean wife can speak English
- how and when will Vincent the Dog show up, and in what condition?
- polar bear is NOT the monster, not big enough
-they are all dead, and in purgatory
-they are in a paralell universe
-polar bear on a tropical island???? In what universe?
-why hasn’t Vincent the Dog left the bush and gone to his owner, the kid Walt?
-will they kill off a charater every episode?
-what is Kate’s crime?
-how could Kate claim not to know how to disable the gun, yet got it away so easily from Sawyer?
-Locke knows something special, or has been on the island before
-the dog’s previous behaviour may have changed, see why isn’t he looking for Walt, above.
- the island affects animals or the party with Danielle did some experiment that went wrong
-it’s the island of Dr. Moreau
-Kim may be a big help in accquiring food in the future, given his sushi find
-polar bear is not a real polar bear
-Kate didn’t need the instruction on how to remove ammo from the gun, she was ahead of the instructions.
-rb.-I think the bush-moving, dino-sounding stepper is a rhino. When they showed the polar bear, and then figured out the 16 year loop on the message being transmitted, I had a thought. A previous crash that was transporting animals to a zoo? Would explain a polar bear in the tropics. But I ain't buying that it was the bear stomping around, making those noises, or grabbing the pilot out of the cockpit. Using this idea, there could be many lovely, or nasty, surprises in store for them where animals are concerned. And in 16 years, they would have had lots of time to multiply, if travelling with mates.
-time loop?

KUDOS:
-again, use of flashbacks to learn the story of the crash
-a real animal, polar bear, as the monster, or is it? People don’t want some freaky dino story, they want realism here.
-writing is great
-casting is great, especially in the choice of who was in handcuffs. Very unexpected.
-lots of mystery
-lots of character building and plot in a short time
-to Kate for splitting the gun and ammo up between Sayid and Sawyer

KAYOS:
-WAAAAY too many commercials

More to follow. :yes:
Good job on the articles and character listing, guys. :tup:

[Mary]

HI Sage, rb, Lorettav, Arubi, and everyone else!! So glad I found you all. ;)

I put in a quote from TVGUIDE about Danielle yesterday. Let me go get it, be right back ...

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :rolleyes: Got it....
<b>WHAT'S IN A NAME?

So the Frenchwoman tress [sic] signal is alive and living on the island and she's named Danielle Rousseau. Is her surname a nod to 18th Century philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau? "That's exactly who we named her after," admits LOST cocreator Damon Lindelof. Makes sense. Rousseau believed in the noble savage, the idea that humans were good and equal in the state of nature but were corrupted by property, science and commerce. Adds Lindelof, "Every single name on the show has purpose and meaning.' But of course! --Nerina Rammairone</b>

btw: I agree with this Jean-Jacques Rousseau thoughts.

So..., every name has a meaning Ah-Ha!

[Cabin Fever]

Arubi, thanks for posting these. Excellent reading for those of us waiting for Wed. night to get here. :D

[y2kmisfit]

Hi guys...Mary showed me the way here.

[Arubi]

:) Really good to see you guys/gals

[SageTheRage]

Y2!!! You made it here too!!!!! GREAT! Glad to have that super sleuth mind of yours here on CE's "Lost" thread.

rb. and I are trying to collaborate and get this board as up-to-date as TB's in regard to the great posts EVERYONE'S made to the subject over there.

Yes, Arubi, you're right, it IS really good to see all the guys/gals here!!!

[y2kmisfit]

Y2!!! You made it here too!!!!! GREAT! Glad to have that super sleuth mind of yours here on CE's "Lost" thread.

rb. and I are trying to collaborate and get this board as up-to-date as TB's in regard to the great posts EVERYONE'S made to the subject over there.

Yes, Arubi, you're right, it IS really good to see all the guys/gals here!!!

Looks like you all are doing a great job!
I hate to jump in with new observations while you're up-dating the the shows to-date.
I want to stress though folks...Please tape all shows if possible!
There are so many really small clues that you might notice that it's really helpful to go back and rewatch shows.

Last night I was going back and checking on Charlie's finger tape messages.
(I really need to get a life :D )
Did you know that he didn't wear them prior to the plane crash?
Did you know in the first episode they spelled F_A_T_E?
After that they spelled L_A_T_E
What's the point? I don't know! :crazy:

[rb.]

y2kmisfit, I don't mind if you jump, and I'm sure no one else will. We're just trying to make sure that we have the stuff that was previously discussed, speculated, etc., for a fuller thread. Just for reference.

Besides, if you hold back, you might forget your point! :eek: We can't have that!

I'm trying to get back to my summary work, but the kids have me tied up much of the day. I hope to have another post tonight.

I'm glad to see everyone here! :D

[y2kmisfit]

I caught something watching the rerun of the first episode last night that I didn't see AT ALL the first night.

When Walt was looking through the Spanish comic book one of the images he flipped past was a Polar Bear!! Later on, they kill a polar bear.

I think Walt's mind generated the polar bear and maybe even re-created his dog Vincent after the crash. Or is the Island plucking images from everyone's mind and making them real?

I don't have a clue how this fits into the overall picture but the polar bear connection really jumped out at me watching the rerun.

And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?

Thoughts?

Love this show! :yes:

Linttrap

Linttrap
I really do think the comic is a very important clue!
I don't think Walt saw the images of the polar bear and then his mind created it because the french woman Daneille referenced the bears to Sayid.
The next page that Walt looked at in the comic really sets up possibilities.
Do a freeze frame on it if you have it taped. Hit your pause button, then keep tapping the pause button to go frame-by-frame.
The page shows 2 men talking to an alien. They are in what appears to be a large domed room. You can tell it's domed by the arched steel columns around it. It looks like it could be a power plant! Both men at first looked to me like "Super Hero's" by their outfits, but I'm not so sure. One guy has on an aluminum hard hat. He's also wearing a red shirt with a yellow lightning bolt on it. This is what made me think of Super Hero. He's also wearing blue pants, maybe jeans. The hard hat has what appears to be small lightning bolt wings near the back, knid of like "The Flash". This may be a Power Plant uniform.
The other guy is a blonde, curly haired guy with a mask on like "The Lone Ranger" He's wearing a green outfit with a large green cape. The collar of the cape has a large up-sweeping bowl shape. There's some of insignia on his shirt, but I can't make it out.
The conversations between the 2 guys and the alien is in spanish. I could see the words "Planes" spoken by the alien and by the hard hat guy. "Planes" is the same in Spanish as in English. I could see the word "Mal" by the green caped guy. This is Spanish for Evil or Bad.
I think this may be an underground power plant and Locke and Boone dropped the flashlight on it's roof in the last episode!
If anyone can read spanish and has it taped, please take a look at it as my tape doesn't show the words very clearly.

[shyLurker]

Wow y2kmisfit!!!! What a sleuth you are!! Can't wait for Wednesday.

Loretta V.

[y2kmisfit]

Wow y2kmisfit!!!! What a sleuth you are!! Can't wait for Wednesday.

Loretta V.

Thanks! I can pick up unusual clues...just can't seem to make sense of them.
Be sure and tape the shows if you can.
I originally didn't tape episodes 1,2 & 3, so this is giving me the chance to.
FWIW episode 1 & 2 which I taped this past Wednesday and paused through the comercials, when I played it back there was only 51 minutes of show!! 69 minutes of comercials. :eek:
I finally got my wife to watch them and tonight we finished them all (except #3 which I will get Wednesday)
I think she's hooked too now!

[rb.]

Don't have much time on the computer right now, but I wanted to post this before I forget about it.

In the pilot, when the "monster" is crashing through for the first time, and they're all watching from the beach, Rose made a comment. She said right afterwards that she'd heard that sound somewhere before. Someone asked her where she was from, and she said the Bronx. Or it could of been Brooklyn, but I'm sure it was the Bronx. So what is it that she recognized, and why?

Also, another thought. Why does it have to be something above ground dropping the trees and making that noise? Looked like the trees were dropping from the root level. Seismic? Sink holes? An underground tunnel system as a work in progress? Especially in light of Locke and Boone's discovery in the last new ep, I think something going on underground may be responsible.

Will try to get back here this afternoon.

[y2kmisfit]

Don't have much time on the computer right now, but I wanted to post this before I forget about it.

In the pilot, when the "monster" is crashing through for the first time, and they're all watching from the beach, Rose made a comment. She said right afterwards that she'd heard that sound somewhere before. Someone asked her where she was from, and she said the Bronx. Or it could of been Brooklyn, but I'm sure it was the Bronx. So what is it that she recognized, and why?

Also, another thought. Why does it have to be something above ground dropping the trees and making that noise? Looked like the trees were dropping from the root level. Seismic? Sink holes? An underground tunnel system as a work in progress? Especially in light of Locke and Boone's discovery in the last new ep, I think something going on underground may be responsible.

Will try to get back here this afternoon.

rb
The sounds to me sounded like guteral growls similar to in the movie "Jurasic Park". The stomping sounded metalic like the snow walkers in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back" or the stamping maching in "Terminator".
Rose's comment on sounding familiar could be from movie sounds.
The "Monster" took the Pilot out of the window of the planes cockpit when the front end was tilted up about a 45 degree angle, and out him high up in the tree.
Also, when Locke was face-to-face with it, Locke had to look way high. The camera angle seemed to be from the "Monsters" perspective and looked maybe 15 feet up.

[y2kmisfit]

:(

November 28, 2004

Upcoming December Repeats

After two new episodes on December 1st and 8th, Lost will go into reruns until January 5. ABC will air the first 6 episodes on December 15, 22 and 29 in the regular 8 p.m. slot and also 9 p.m.

Pilot (1) & Pilot (2) from 8 to 10 p.m. on the 15th

Tabula Rasa & Walkabout on the 22nd from 8 to 10p.m. on the 22nd

White Rabbit & House of the Rising Sun on the 29th from 8 to 10p.m.
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-24313/

Aurbi
My weekly show guide and ABC's on-line schedule shows Walkabout and White Rabbit for this Wednesday Dec.22
What happened to episode #3 Tabula Rasa? Any Ideas?
This is the only episode I'm Missing on tape!! :eek:

[rb.]

y2kmisfit, I just watched part of it again, as my 9 yr. old wants to see the old episodes. The sound before the trees go down when the survivors are on the beach sounds like a kind of warning horn. Like you would hear prior to the demolition of a building, or the nuking of a South Pacific island during a test. :eek: I really think the "attacker" of the pilot and the sound are two different things. Connected perhaps, but separate. A warning that people below are letting something loose?

[y2kmisfit]

y2kmisfit, I just watched part of it again, as my 9 yr. old wants to see the old episodes. The sound before the trees go down when the survivors are on the beach sounds like a kind of warning horn. Like you would hear prior to the demolition of a building, or the nuking of a South Pacific island during a test. :eek: I really think the "attacker" of the pilot and the sound are two different things. Connected perhaps, but separate. A warning that people below are letting something loose?

rb
Could be! There's also the glow in the background!
One thing we can be sure of...whatever it is...it'll be what's least expected! :yes:

[y2kmisfit]

rb
I would go back and listen for the horn (good catch by the way), but yesterday I loaned all my tapes to my Daughter and Son-in-law!
It was like giving up my first born.

[rb.]

rb
I would go back and listen for the horn (good catch by the way), but yesterday I loaned all my tapes to my Daughter and Son-in-law!
It was like giving up my first born.

:rofl: I know what you mean.

K', guys, here's the next installment of where we've been.

Episode 3 Tabula Rasa

EP summary from ABC

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/3.html
Tabula Rasa"
Air Date: 10/06/2004

In a makeshift infirmary tent, Jack is tending to the Marshal who mutters the same thing over and over through his pain: "Don't trust her…She's dangerous." When Jack asks him who "She" is, the Marshal tells him to look in his Jacket pocket. What he finds there will change things on the island forever. It's a mug shot…of Kate!

The Signal Party is working their way back down the mountain. It's getting dark and some of them want to make camp for the night. Sawyer wants to press on through the jungle at night, but anyone who has seen the last two episodes knows that isn't a very good idea and he is convinced to stay. Sitting around the fire, they discuss what they should tell the others about the French transmission. That information hasn't exactly done a lot for their peace of mind, so in the end they decide not to tell the others anything in order to preserve hope. At least for now…

And speaking of hope, back in the tent Jack is using a great deal of it trying to save the Marshall. Hurley enters, stumbles across Kate's mug shot and asks the question we all want answered: "What do you think she did?" — off which we FLASHBACK TO:

Kate, being prodded by a shotgun held by a farmer (Ray) who wants to know what she is doing sleeping in his barn. After a frank exchange, the two find that they can be of service to each other. He needs some help on the farm, she needs a job and a place to stay. She says her name is "Annie."

Back at the Signal Party, Boone lifts the gun from Sawyer and the clip from Sayid as they sleep. They wake up and an argument ensues over who should have the gun, but they can't agree on a trustworthy candidate — until they arrive at Kate. She reluctantly agrees to keep it.

The next morning, Hurley arrives at the infirmary tent to tell Jack the Signal Party has returned. Kate pulls Jack aside and says she has something she wants to tell him…in private. Jack is relieved, assuming that she is going to confide in him. But when they get down to it, Kate tells Jack about the French transmission. He asks if there is anything else she'd like to tell him. She asks if the Marshal has regained consciousness. When Jack tells her he did briefly during the surgery, Kate asks if he said anything to Jack. Jack considers the question for a moment before answering, "No."

The Marshal has taken a turn for the worse. If they don't find some stronger antibiotics, he's not going to make it. Hurley tells him he's looked everywhere…except the fuselage — but that's full of bodies "and they're all…dead."

Jack enters the wreckage and does his best to avoid disturbing the bodies as he makes a desperate search for anything that will help the Marshal. Hearing something rustling behind him, he finds Sawyer combing the fuselage for a different reason — turns out he's doing a little personal shopping. Jack berates him for disrespecting the dead, but Sawyer tells Jack to get with the program. Jack still thinks they are back in civilization while Sawyer realizes they are "in the wild."

At one end of the beach, Charlie is helping Claire collect luggage using a wheelchair from the plane and they begin to form a bond. Meanwhile, Sun presents a suitcase to Jin, but after closer inspection Jin determines it is the wrong one and tells Sun to keep looking. But before she does, he tells her to go and clean up her face, she is embarrassing him. As she turns leave, he tells her he loves her. And the strange thing is that he appears to mean it.

Hurley bumps into Kate at the infirmary tent and tries to play it cool about knowing her secret and in the process notices the gun in her waistband. He is not a smooth liar. And off the gun we FLAHBACK to:

Kate, who decides it's time to move on from the Australian farm. But when she accepts a ride from Ray to the train station, she learns that he is planning on turning her in to the authorities. He saw her picture at the post office and he really needs that reward money. Kate looks in the side mirror to see the Marshal, hot on her heels. In a desperate attempt to get away, Kate jerks the wheel and crashes the truck off the road. Saving the farmer from the truck costs her a chance to escape and she is captured by the Marshal.

Back in real time, while leaning over her body, the Marshal wakes up and lunges at Kate's throat, choking her. Jack has to pull him off of her before it's too late.

Michael struggles to forge bond with Walt — wants to know what the bald told him yesterday. Walt says it's a secret, but when Michael presses the issue, Walt reveals that Locke told him "a miracle happened." Michael wants him to stay away from Locke.

When the rain stops, Michael searches for the dog in jungle. He hears something in the tall grass; something dangerous. He runs as fast as he can to get away from it and runs smack into Sun, who is topless and washing herself. There is an awkward moment between them.

Back on the beach, the Marshal is dying. Loudly. His screams are taking a physical toll on the rest of the group. Sayid asks Jack if anything can be done. Jack says he is doing all he can. The Marshal tells Jack he wants to speak to Kate…alone. While she is in the tent, Hurley tells Jack about the gun he saw in her pants. Jack races back to the infirmary tent before it's too late… "BANG!"

Out of the tent walks…Sawyer! He did what had to be done —what Jack couldn't do. Horrible groans come from the tent again. We go in to find that the Marshal still isn't dead — Sawyer shot him in the chest! He was aiming for the heart, but he missed! It will take hours for him to bleed out and he will suffer horribly. Jack throws an extremely shaken Sawyer out of the tent. And a few moments later…the moans stop for good. Jack emerges and walks past Sawyer without a word.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DETAILS:
-Kate’s backstory
-the marshall, or whatever, suggested Kate easily woos men
-Sawyer tries to put him out of his misery, but shoots the marshall in the chest, instead of the head, and it’s the last bullet. And he doesn’t die. Bummer. Jack had to go in and do the deed, much to his dismay.
-Locke calls Vincent the dog out of the forest with a whistle he made, but indicates to Michael that Michael should be the one to give the dog to Walt, making Michael look better in Walt’s eyes.

SPECULATION:
- big cat roaming the island?
-Kate can’t be so bad, she keeps trying to help people, even when she’s at risk
-Sawyer’s not too bright, the last bullet should have been in the Lawman’s head, he’s a moron (oh, how some of have changed our tune!)
-Locke knows more secrets, viewers like this
-the more that is revealed of Locke, the greater the mystery grows
- hopes of some to see Hurley lose weight to make it realistic
-Survivor-ish? First in the pilot, the pilot bites it, then in this one the Marshall bites it. So who’s next?
-anticipation over Charlie’s necessary withdrawl, once drugs are gone.
-everyone has a secret
-what the heck did Kate do, anyway? Why was she chased by a US Marshall all the way to Australia?
-did Kate kill some guy, like an abusive husband/boyfriend, or a lecherous step-father, or some pimp in control of her little sister?
-how long have they been on the island? 48 to 72 hours?
-where is the tail section, and did anyone survive from that section?
-survival skills to share: Locke, Sayid, Jack
-has Locke been to the island before? Does he have an aboriginal ancestry, maybe?
-Locke may know what’s out there and is not afraid of it.
-how did Jack finally kill the marshall?
-is Kate a thief? Is that why she was being transported out of Australia with the marshall?
-Charlie was trying to stop the drugs when on the plane? He’ll be ok.
-that was no polar bear!
- SAGE figures, more with each episode, that Locke may have been on the island before, and that he’ll be the saving grace of those on the island, or at least the good ones. While he may not be pure in his decision as to who to save and who to let perish. He’s definitely one to watch, but maybe a sleeper character will surprise us all.
-could the sleeper be the Asian couple, Jin and Sun? He has some major jealousy issues.
-since they’re not giving us much insight into Locke, maybe he’s the one to watch.

KUDOS:
-Sayid is way smart.
-Hey, look who Charlie is! Why, it’s Merry!!
-to Locke for encouraging Michael to give the dog to Walt, instead of Locke doing it himself
-to Kate for trying to make sure the farmer got his reward money, even though he turned her in.
-finally an original idea for a tv show
-is Vincent the dog to be trusted?

KAYOS:
-they need to be gathering food and making shelter by this point
-they need to go searching for the French transmission source

[y2kmisfit]

remember in the episode when Kate went to Sawyer to try and get the asthma inhalers? He was reading the book Watership Down.
Here is a link to the books forum.
It also has a Watership Down song.
Does this song sound anything like the music box song?
There must be a clue in the book!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rabbit/waterdn.htm

[y2kmisfit]

here's an interesting item on the book.
check out the picture and discription as well as the book passage.
http://www.mayfieldiow.freewire.co.uk/watershp/waters26.htm

[y2kmisfit]

http://www.mayfieldiow.freewire.co.uk/watershp/index.htm

[y2kmisfit]

http://kingbiscuit.com/america/song/song062.htm

Watership Down
Written by Gerry Beckley, ©1976
Found on Hideaway and Highway.

Watership Down, gather around
There's a story to be told
It's for the young and for the old
You might hear them in the distance
If your ear's to the ground

Whisper it loud, carry the sound
Of the footsteps alone
When they're heading for home
Through the raining of the dangers
And the grayness of the dawn

I can feel there's better days
Well, they're comin', they're comin'
I can see them through the haze
So can you

Watership Down, gather around
There's a story to be told
It's for the young and for the old
You might hear them in the distance
If your ear's to the ground

I can feel there's better days
Well, they're comin', they're comin'
I can see them through the haze
So can you

Oo, oo, oo

Watership Down, gather around
There's a story to be told
It's for the young and for the old
You might hear them in the distance
If your ear's to the ground

Whisper it loud, carry the sound
Of the footsteps alone
When they're heading for home
Through the raining of the dangers
And the grayness of the dawn.

I can feel there's better days
Well, they're comin', they're comin'
I can see them through the haze
So can you

Oo, oo, oo, oo ...

[rb.]

Well, y2kmisfit, they messed ya' up, didn't they. No Tabula Rasa! I'm in big trouble. Got my mom hooked on the pilot today, and told her she could pretty much catch up before the new ones. Now she already misses #3, and there's no way they will air all of them before they resume the new ones. EIII! :(

[rb.]

Episode 4 Walkabout

Summary

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/4.html

"Walkabout"
Air Date: 10/13/2004

We are in Locke's dream as the show opens and it's moments after the crash. As his eye opens, we see the experience from his perspective. Chaos rages around him as he very cautiously looks down to his feet. We see him wiggle his big toe — Good, everything works.

Back in real time, Locke's dream is interrupted by Vincent barking. In fact, he's waking up the entire camp. He won't stop barking at the fuselage and when Jack and the others listen closely they can hear something rummaging around in there. But that can't be, everything in there is…dead. Sawyer? Nope, he's right behind Jack. When they shine a flashlight inside, two glowing eyes shine right back at them. Uh oh…

Three squealing beasts charge out of the wreckage and tear through the camp. As they disappear back into the jungle, Locke is able to determine what they are —Wild Boars. They've been attracted by the bodies that have been baking in the fuselage for the last 4 days. Something has to be done. Bury them? They wouldn't stay buried, not for long anyway. Jack makes the only call he can — The bodies have to be burned.

But, as usual, just as one problem is solved, another rears its ugly head. They're out of food. It's all gone. And just as panic begins to set in, Locke steps forward with his own brand of problem solving. They can hunt the boars. What are they supposed to hunt with? The case of knives Locke checked into the luggage compartment. "Who is this guy?"

In FLASHBACK Locke gets a cryptic phone call from someone who calls him "Colonel." Of course, he's in the military! But we soon discover that isn't true at all — Locke is just another cubicle jockey with an active imagination.

Back on the island, Michael is getting ready to go with Locke. Walt wants to come, but Michael manages to communicate with Sun well enough to convince her to watch his son until the hunting party returns. Meanwhile, Sayid has a plan to try and locate the source of the French Transmission using homemade antennas to triangulate the signal. Kate agrees to help him and tells Jack of her plan before setting off with Locke and Michael to hunt for boar. Back at the fuselage, Claire is beginning to collect the personal effects of the dead for use in a eulogy during the cremation. She asks Jack to be the one to give it, but he doesn't want the job. Claire decides to do it herself.

Boone remarks to Shannon that one of the survivors, Rose, has been sitting by herself way down the beach. He's pretty sure she hasn't eaten since the crash. When Shannon tells him to butt out, Boone reminds Shannon that she would starve without his help. She vows to show him she can take care of herself.

Deep in the jungle, Locke has found the boar trail. They're close. He sends Michael and Kate out to surround the beast, but it turns on them and charges. Michael is gored in the leg and as Kate helps him up she calls to Locke to see if he is okay. "I'm fine, Helen, I just got the wind knocked out of me." Who is Helen?

In FLASHBACK, we see Locke enjoying an intimate conversation with "Helen" over the phone. He has a surprise for her — he finally saved up the money to go to Australia and take that authentic aboriginal walkabout. And guess what? He bought two tickets. Sadly, we learn that Helen doesn't share the same feelings for Locke as he does for her.

Back on the island, Kate agrees to help Michael limp back to the beach, but Locke is determined to bring down that boar. Kate tells him he can't go out there by alone. Locke disagrees. "Don't tell me what I can't do."

Back on the beach, a hunter of another sort has found her quarry. Shannon flirts with Charlie and mentions how much she would like a fish. Charlie is only too happy to catch her one…as soon as he can learn how to from Hurley.

Jack has made his way over to Rose and tries to get her to open up to him. After some time, she does and tells him that, even though he has not been found, she believes her husband, Bernard is still alive. She agrees to rejoin the others. Meanwhile, back at the fuselage, Claire has found an envelope with Sayid's name on it. He opens it and we find a woman's picture inside. Sayid can't seem to take his eyes off her.

On the way back to the beach, Kate stops to climb a tree and attach the antenna. But when she is up there, she sees the monster knocking down trees in the distance and drops the antenna, breaking it. And the monster…is heading straight for Locke.

On the beach, Sun is teaching Walt about natural substitutes for toothpaste when Michael and Kate return. The others learn that the hunt was unsuccessful and worse still, that Locke is probably dead.

When Jack is making the final preparations to the fuselage, he sees something — wait -someone, off in the forest. When he chases after him, he runs smack into Locke, who has somehow managed to survive his run in with the monster. And that's not all — he brought back a boar with him.

As night falls, the fuselage is ignited and the names of the dead are read in memorial to them. Michael congratulates Locke on the hunt and asks him if he got a look at the monster. Locke tells him he didn't see anything.

But as we get one more glimpse into his past, we learn that Locke is keeping a secret — one that must be seen to be believed.


SPECULATION / QUESTIONS:
-how did Locke lose the use of his legs?
-why is he “Col. Locke” in his flashback, was he mil at one time?
-is he mentally ill?
-Locke and Sayid are the ones to be with if TSHTF
-who’s the dude in the suit?
-why isn’t Locke talking about the monster he saw?
-they all died in the plane crash and are in Hell.
-different feel to this episode
-funny how Locke seems to centred, strong, independent, but needs a 1-900 friend to talk to.
-a feeling that the tide is turning on how the show is presented
-seems there are no random acts or dialogue on this show, everything is eventually significant
-seems that there are clues dropped each week
-Locke’s scene where he was refused his walkabout trip he was pitiful, but on the island he’s a leader and provider
-does Locke consider himself lucky to have regained the use of his legs, or unhappy because he’s stuck on the island. Probably thinks he’s lucky.
-still don’t trust the dog
-who does the doc keep seeing in the suit
-why is it just the doc that keeps seeing him?
-Jack didn’t seem to enthused about his profession or how he got there. Maybe he’s thought about quitting.
-maybe Jack’s time on the island will change his mind for him
-could the man Jack sees be his grandfather, a doctor, who is there to tell him something about his career choice?

[rb.]

Summary Episode 5

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/5.html

"White Rabbit"
Air Date: 10/20/2004

As the eye opens, we see a trickle of blood beginning to flow from a cut just above it. We pull back to see a boy laying flat on his back. Beside him another boy is being ruthlessly beaten against a school yard fence. "Walk away now and you won't get your ass kicked," says the bully. And the truth of it is, walking away would definitely be the smart thing for him to do - the bully is much bigger than he is. But the boy against the fence is in real trouble and, mixed in with the pain and the terror there is something else written on his face — written so clearly you'd have to be blind not to see it. Please, help me! The first boy is up in a flash and goes to help his friend, but he's grabbed from behind by the bully and spun around, the bully's fist already cocked and ready to fire. "Should've stayed down Jack." WHAP! Lights out…

That was a Young Jack. Back in real time, Charlie races down the beach towards him, rousing Adult Jack from his FLASHBACK. "Jack! JACK! There's someone out there!" Charlie points out to the ocean — And oh my God, there IS someone out there yelling for help and struggling to stay afloat. Before Charlie can explain that he doesn't know how to swim, Jack is in the water, pounding through the surf towards the target. When he gets there, he scans the surface and finds nothing but open water. He dives under. Nothing. He dives again and he's down there a long time until…he's up and he's got someone with him. It's Boone! And just as we're about to breathe a sigh of relief, Boone asks a terrible question: "Did you get her?" Did he get who? "That woman, did you get her?" Jack turns around and, sure enough, there is someone else further out, calling for help and about to go under. Kate and Charlie take an exhausted Boone from Jack at the breakwater and Jack turns around and dives right back in. But we widen out we see the awful truth laid out before us. Jack can swim as hard as he wants… but there is no one left to save.

Back on the beach, while Kate is trying to prevent Jack from beating himself up for the life he didn't save, Jack sees the man in the suit standing in the water. When he asks Kate if she saw him too, Kate recognizes that Jack's exhausted and asks how long it's been since he slept.

Meanwhile, Sawyer has begun his own business, providing luxuries to the survivors from the stash of goodies he collected from the wreckage and as the prices reflect, he's got the market cornered in that department. "But don't worry", he tells Shannon…he'll take a check.

Hurley and Charlie tell Jack that they are dangerously low on water. It hasn't rained in a few days and there are 47 people to take care of. Jack has to point out the mathematical error. Better make that 46. They want Jack to decide what should be done, but he wants no part of it.

In FLASHBACK we see young Jack in his father's study receiving a very important lesson on what it takes to be a leader. He tells Jack he doesn't have it. And while that might not be the easiest lesson to learn, Jack needs to know there are consequences for getting involved in other people's business. Consequences like that shiner on his eye.

Back in real time, Jack is speaking with Boone when he sees the man in the suit again. This time, he's not going to let him get away. He races off into the woods and sees the man standing there with his back turned. When he turns around, the shock knocks Jack right off his feet because the man in the suit looks an awful lot like his FATHER!

On the beach, the heat and the lack of water are taking their toll. When Claire faints, the others rally to her side, but when they go to give her some of the precious water, they make a frightening discovery — it's all gone — stolen! Locke offers to go into the jungle to find more — just enough to keep Claire going.

IN FLASHBACK, we see Jack back in the same study, but he's older now - the Jack we know on the island. His mother tells him that his father is missing and that it's Jack's fault. She tells him to go and bring his father back home. Jack asks his mother where he is. She answers, Australia.

In the jungle, Jack races after the man in the suit. Just as he is getting close, he trips and falls down an incline, barely catching himself on a vine before falling off a cliff. He hangs there, slowly losing his grip on the vine. But just before he falls to the rocks below, a hand comes over and pulls him up. It's Locke! He tells Jack that the others are all looking to him to tell them what to do. Jack doesn't want the job and tells Locke about his hallucinations. Locke tells Jack that he should consider the possibility he is not hallucinating. But that's impossible. Locke tells him that possible is a relative term… especially on this island.

Back at the beach, Sayid and Kate catch Sun with a bottle of water. When they learn she got it from Sawyer, they confront him about stealing their supply. Turns out he didn't do it and he can prove it — he made a trade with Jin, "cave-man style". As Charlie does his best to comfort Claire, we wonder how long she can hang on.

In FLASHBACK, Jack finally catches up with his father in Australia…in the morgue. Back in reality, Jack wipes away his tears as he sits alone in the jungle struggling with the loss all over again. Suddenly, the man in the suit crosses by again. Jack follows him through the dark and into an undiscovered part of the island where Jack discovers fresh water and a COFFIN.

In the final FLASHBACK, we learn that Jack put his father's coffin on the plane to fly back to California for the funeral. In real time, Jack finds that the coffin is EMPTY. In a fit of frustration at not being able to bury his father and the pure exhaustion that may be causing him to hallucinate, he destroys the coffin.

Back at the beach the water thief is caught. It was Boone! And just as the mob is about to have at him, Jack returns to the scene. He tells them they can't go on like this. It's been six days and rescue hasn't come, they have to start accepting the idea that it may never come. He tells them about the water he found in the jungle and explains to them all that things have to change or more people are going to die. "If we can't live together, we're going to die alone."

[linttrap]

What happened to the re-run of Episode 3? Why did they skip it? Or did it air a different night and I missed it?

Is it in the missing episode that Locke finds the dog Vincent but lets Mike take the credit with Walt for getting Vincent back?

I am getting more of my friends to watch it and now there is a piece missing for them!! Frustrating...

Linttrap

[rb.]

linttrap, they didn't rerun it this time. According to ABC's schedule, where I get the summaries, next week will be Mothman and Confidence Man. I pulled and printed the summaries of Tabula Rasa (Kate's story) and House of the Rising Sun (Sun and Jin's story) for my mom. They are the two missing in between the ones being shown this week and next.

[Mary]

Okay, in the 8pm episode last night Jack was talking to the woman who lost her husband. Her name? ROSE! There's something about the color red in this show and I just can't figure it out. (I know, I'm obsessed :) ) Also Claire's necklace is dark red.

Locke is excellent! I'd want him by my side at all times :rolleyes:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[linttrap]

According to the ABC message boards where Lost is being dissected into microns, each character's name has symbolic meaning.

Did you know that Jack's last name is Shepherd?

John Locke is too obvious.

Danielle's last name is Rousseau...contrast that to Locke!

Claire, the good. Madonna figure.

So, what is the significance of Boone, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin (Djinn or Genie???), Sun (archetypal Sun?)

Thoughts anyone? And what role exactly is to be Shannon's?

Some of the characters' last names have not been revealed and may be the significant part of their name. Has Charlie's last name been mentioned? What about the last names of Michael and Walt?

Have you all read the Diary on the ABC site? Go here:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html

Who is writing it? It seemed like it was Shannon to me, but believe me, I could be so wrong about that!

Someone on ABC noticed that Ethan was in last night's episode gathering wood. Was he noticed by anyone in any of the previous episodes? Does anyone remember his last name? It has been mentioned, but I don't recall it. Do we need to watch for Ethan sightings...like Where's Waldo?

Linttrap

[Cabin Fever]

Isn't Ethan's last name Rom?

[y2kmisfit]

Isn't Ethan's last name Rom?
Right you are.

And Hurley's name isn't really Hurley.

[Mary]

TV guide said "Ethan Rom" is an anagram for OTHER MAN. And that ALL other names have similar meanings.

Wish I knew the little guys last name WALT? Remember, his other father said he was the Luckiest Person He Ever Knew. Hmm...

John Locke? Don't quite get what his name could mean except the obvious lock that needs a key--- He's (Locke) has looked into the Eyes Of The Island and understands. Will he tell anyone? That remains to be seen. Maybe everyone has to look into the Island's Eyes to realize what it is all about.

Just a thought...

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[Brooks]

John Locke - English empiricist philosopher (1632 - 1704) - All knowledge is derived from sensory experience - Authority derives solely from the consent of the governed - and other views

http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/phil/philo/phils/locke.html

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563503/John_Locke.html

[rb.]

Anyone looking for episodes of Lost that they've missed, or missed taping, they are up at Limewire. For anyone who doesn't know, Limewire is sort of like Napster. Beware when doing the search for the title Lost. Lots of porn comes up in the results. Most Lost titles come up with 01 and 0x (ie. 08). I'm assuming thats the season and ep #s. Files are about 350 MB, and the file format is avi. Additional info that comes up when you put your cursor over the title will give a time of 42 mins. and some seconds. Apparently quality is good.

[rb.]

Just noticed, it's better to search Limewire with the episode name. Bypasses the porn. Here's the list for anyone interested.

Episode 1 - Pilot
Episode 2 - Pilot part 2
Episode 3 - Tabula Rasa (missing from reruns)
Episode 4 - Walkabout
Episode 5 - White Rabbit
Episode 6 - House of the Rising Sun (missing from reruns)
Episode 7 - The Moth
Episode 8 - Confidence Man
Episode 9 - Solitary (missing from reruns)
Episode 10- Raised by another (missing from reruns)
Episode 11- All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues (missing from reruns)

[y2kmisfit]

Anyone looking for episodes of Lost that they've missed, or missed taping, they are up at Limewire. For anyone who doesn't know, Limewire is sort of like Napster. Beware when doing the search for the title Lost. Lots of porn comes up in the results. Most Lost titles come up with 01 and 0x (ie. 08). I'm assuming thats the season and ep #s. Files are about 350 MB, and the file format is avi. Additional info that comes up when you put your cursor over the title will give a time of 42 mins. and some seconds. Apparently quality is good.

rb- thanks, I will check it out!

[rb.]

Anyone who wants to use Limewire to download the missing (or all) episodes, I highly recommend it. I've currently got three of them, two more downloading right now. Excellent quality, and no commercials. DD just watched Tabula Rasa on the computer, and is thrilled to be catching up.

Now that I've got the computer back, time to get back to our discussion summary.

[rb.]

Episode 5 White Rabbit

SPECULATION / DISCUSSION

-Jack’s mystery man in the forest/jungle is his father!
-Is Locke the finder of all things lost? He found Vincent the dog, and he’s helping Jack find himself.
-Locke looked into the eye of the island and what he saw was good (quote was “beautiful”)
-does this mean that in the end, the survivors will be better people?
-will they find out who they really are, and make the world a better place because of it?
-Locke is going to be the “savior” or saving grace of the group in the end, but may not be able to save himself
-Charlie’s tattoo was zoomed in on when he was with Claire. Long saying. Is it a clue from the writers? Something about living.
-something about crying too(tattoo)
-it seems Jack’s father led him to the waterfall
-it seems that people are turning into the opposite of what they were in life before the crash
-which girl drowned? (one we hadn’t really been introduced to)
-so now we know why Jack was on the flight. (Searching for his father)
-Charlie's tattoo says "Living is easier with your eyes shut" (a good description of the sheeple)
-level of survival skills or mentality, and leadership seems lacking. After 6 days, they should have a dependable source of water, be gathering plants for food. At least Locke can kill a boar, and Jin can repeatedly get fish. Shelter is only one tent and a plane wing. Is this a fair showing of the reality of the situation?
-Is the above complaint why Charlie’s tattoo was zoomed in on? Both viewers and characters are becoming annoyed at the lack of apparent organization for the long term. That was somewhat of a theme in this episode.
-appears that most survivors are from middle class to wealthy backgrounds. Most are probably city people and some have “servants” of some kind like personal shoppers or bodyguards. If this is the case, it makes sense for many of them to just sit and wait for their rescuers.
-surely some of the survivors have previous experience in life to help them survive
-LOST Tops the Charts and Gets A New Character!!!

For four weeks in a row (all four of its telecasts), Lost has been the No. 1 program in its hour among viewers and young adults. On its most recent telecast (10/13/04), Lost ranked as the No. 1 TV program of the night in Total Viewers and Adults 18-49. In addition, on the same night the new drama drew its largest overall audience since its debut episode (9/22/04) and hit series highs in Adults 18-49, Adults 18-34, Teens 12-17 and Kids 2-11. Compared to the first four weeks of last season, Lost has improved the hour for ABC by 6.1 million viewers (17.6 million vs. 11.5 million) and by 40% in Adults 18-49 (6.6/18 vs. 4.7/13). (from comingsoon.net)

William Mapother told SCI FI Wire that he will appear in upcoming episodes of the ABC SF series Lost, playing a mysterious character named Ethan, but he added that he can't reveal many details. "I've thought about this, and frankly, I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't inadvertently reveal something important," Mapother said in an interview. "I can only imagine the horrors they'd subject my character to if I squawked." He added, "Worse than killing me, they'll write me off if I spill anything." (from SciFi Wire)
(2:56 PM)
http://www.lost-tv.com/
-Ethan probably won’t last too long as the above article states "he will appear in upcoming episodes”
-does this mean he’ll be mysterious and just appear when needed? A guide to the survivors, but in a sinister way? Will he draw them into darkness? could help in a less natural way in decreasing the number of survivors.
-interesting that there’s nothing Mapother can say about the character that won’t give something away
-when Jack’s father appeared, did anyone else think that they all died in the crash? Are they, or the island in a time warp? Wouldn’t that be an interesting twist.
-why wasn’t Jack’s dad in the casket?
-What did Locke mean when he told Jack that he’d looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful? That the island is a magical place. That the others can feel it but don’t want to acknowledge it?
-did Jack’s dad lead him to the water they desperately need?
-Re: Ethan, don't forget that anyone coming into the show could be coming in through the flashbacks, and not necessarily be on the island.
-Jack's father not in the casket, that was weird. I thought maybe they just put the casket on the plane, not the body, since the airline worker was talking about the body not yet cleared to leave Australia. Dunno. I also thought about them all being dead. Doesn't work for me, though.
-either way, Ethan appears to be very important to the crux of the show, judging by the interview he gave

[rb.]

Tonight they are supposed to be running episodes 7 and 8, Charlie and Sawyer's episodes. I'll post the past discussion of eps 6, 7 and 8 this evening. Gotta' give the computer back to the kids for a while. :(

[Mary]

John Locke - English empiricist philosopher (1632 - 1704) - All knowledge is derived from sensory experience - Authority derives solely from the consent of the governed - and other views

http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/phil/philo/phils/locke.html

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563503/John_Locke.html


Thanks Brooks! Now we have two philosophers in the show: Locke & Danielle, Jack Shepard & Sawyer are sorta obvious :)

Last night I only watched Charlie's show (don't know his last name -- and what is the name of his band?) But I did notice the night Charlie decided to heroin for the first time, There were RED plastic cups all over the "party" (?) table.

Red all over the place
Two Philosophers
A Shepard
A Trouble Maker (Tom Sawyer)
An Army brat - Kate - who's on the run for some reason

We need more last names.

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[SageTheRage]

Charlie's band is "Drive Shaft" (perhaps one word: driveshaft???)
I don't know his last name though.

And wasn't it determined that Sawyer's name isn't really Sawyer? I'm referring to the fact that Kate realized the letter he keeps re-reading isn't "TO" him but rather "FROM" him, right? Keep in mind, the sticker on the envelope dated it as having been sent during TN Bicentennial which rendered "Sawyer" about 8-9 yrs. old...Remember I said that his flashback was actually HIM as that small child who came into the living room when the deal was going down between the parents & "Sawyer". I'm telling ya, I still stick to that theory although many of you think I'm crazy :P

Speaking of red being all about...IIRC, wasn't the handle on the knife that Locke gave to Sayid for protection after his assault a red one?

The preview of next week's episode looked quite intriguing. Whose legs do you suppose those were that were dangling from a snare? I noticed the wearer had on white sox and low-cut blk soft boot type shoes. Isn't that what Kate's been wearing? The discovery of that suitcase underwater from what I gathered was either Kate's or that of the marshall that had her in custody given the intense dialog exchange between her & Jack afterwards regarding her "past".

Can't wait!!! :yes:

[Mary]

Sage, YES, Driveshaft. Okay, no clues there (yet). :D

I didn't see the preview for next weeks show. We talk waaay too much through this show :rolleyes: Sounds great--of course!

ah well, have to wait an entire week now -- bummer :(

Mary (no garden, no lamb) Happy New Year everyone--be good if you have to or if someone is watching :beamme:

[rb.]

Promo clips for ep. 12 (next week's) can be viewed here

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/

[rb.]

In the combo Alias/Lost promo at the above link, I didn't see a snare, just a leg going up. The leg in quite skinny, and the foot pretty small. Boone is yelling NO! Shannon? Did you see a snare, Sage?

And why is Kate crying so hard, what's in the suitcase? :eek: :D

[rb.]

********SPOILER BELOW, DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU.******** :D

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19034

Learn When Hurley’s Secret Origin Airs!!


I am – Hercules!!

“Hurley’s just a nickname I have. Why? I’m not tellin’.”

“Back home? I’m known as something of a warrior myself.”

“I am very good. I took 17th in a tournament once.”

“Lost” returns from its month-long hiatus on Jan. 5 (the first episode of 2005 leads into the fourth-season premiere of “Alias”), and there’s loads of intriguing elements to which we can look forward. Claire and her abductor will remain hidden, Jin’s wife will vanish, the giant monster will return in three episodes, we’ll learn a shocking truth about Shannon and Boone’s past, and Drew Goddard is scripting the next Sawyer-centric ‘sode.

How things appear to shake out now, flashback-wise:

1.1/2 Flight’s End
1.3 Kate
1.4 Locke
1.5 Jack
1.6 Jim & Sun
1.7 Charlie
1.8 Sawyer
1.9 Sayid
1.10 Claire
1.11 Jack II
1.12 Kate II
1.13 Boone & Shannon
1.14 Michael & Walt
1.15 Charlie II
1.16 Sawyer II?
1.17 ?
1.18 Hurley

That’s right. Hurley will be the last of the regulars to get a flashback episode. And he doesn’t get it until Jack, Kate, Charlie and likely Sawyer have had two. Series co-creator Damon Lindelof visited the Fuselage fansite Tuesday night and promised we’d get “a SHOCKER of a flashback” for young Hugo Reyes.

So what could be so shocking about Hurley? Some theories:

* COP. Were it not for the sluggish investigative abilities he’s demonstrated, one could see Hurley in Australia on the trail of a drug kingpin.
* WALL STREET LAWYER. In a suit and a ponytail, his savant-like legal savvy has saved the tobacco industry billions.
* MICROSOFT MILLIONAIRE. He’s been writing code for Bill Gates since he was a teen, and has accumulated many Microsoft stock options.
* TRUST FUND BABY. Don’t let his hair fool you. When he's not jetting to Australia for dogshows, he’s an undefeated polo champion.
* CLERGYMAN. Outreach minister in Venice, Calif.
* SABOTEUR. We saw Hurley on the plane behind Jack in the pilot. What if he sabotaged the plane, aware somehow that he would survive its crash?
* PORN STAR. Producers seeking tha more svelt Ron Jeremy had him hard at work, porking for pay.
* JOCKEY. He’s let himself go a little following a career-ending back injury, but it turns out he’s still the winningest rider alive.

[Mary]

rb,

Thanks for the link / info ... you're a hoot! :D And imaginative too (heh, heh, heh)

I think Hurley's probably undercover CIA (why not, I mean Wall Street Tycoon, hmmm :) )

cant wait, cant wait, cant...err, have to wait, have to... :rolleyes:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool: <--- version of tinfoil hat here at A.N's

[rb.]

Episode 6 House of the Rising Sun

DISCUSSION / SPECULATION
-does Locke make things happen, or is he able to see into the future? Like Charlie’s guitar being above them when Locke had told him he’d find it again.
-Digging in at the caves vs. remaining on the beach in view of potential rescuers: best to rotate out. Benefits of protection in the caves and more comfort. Leaves a watch 24 hours on the beach.
-interesting story for Jin and Sun, like Korean mafia
-what killed the two skeletons laying next to the water source? No trauma evident per Jack. Could it be the water?
-regarding the skeletons, probably time took its toll, living in harsh conditions, and they possibly had no survival skills
-did Adam and Eve travel by personal aircraft, or a commercial jetliner like our survivors?
-ominous that Jack estimates the bodies have been there about 40 or 50 years. Kate’s argument about staying visible to possible rescuers makes more sense given that fact.
-don’t think the forest inhabitant is a “thing”. Perhaps a metaphorical thing, like fear, chance, fate, good, evil. What they each make of it. Is the island delivering the wishes of the survivors?
-Purgatory? Jack’s dad appears to him, and he deals with his leadership issue. His dad repeatedly told him he didn’t have what it took to make leadership decisions, but now he has to.
-Locke’s wish, or destiny, was his survivalist trip, as related in his backstory. He was thinking it would be Australia, but it ended up the island. Was his inner spirit guiding him to prepare because he was going to need it, not out of desire, but to survive?
-Sun appears to want to get away from her controlling father and the tainted spirit of her husband. Is she now getting the wish, and will be able to start anew?
-don’t know what’s going on with Michael except that he will get to make up lost time with his son.
-the dog...??
-Sayid likely has good motives, he’s likable and will be useful.
-Is the cave the burial place of the group that the woman who originated the distress message belonged to? Could the group who heard the message be staying on the beach because they are afraid to go to the caves? Do they know they died there one by one?
-Charlie gets to give up his drugs and get back his oh-so-important music, via his guitar. Locke finds both the guitar for him, and gets him to hand over his drugs, in addition to providing help to kick the habit.
-the Thing was able to yank the pilot out of the cockpit, smashing him around the nose of the plane, and left him in a tree.
-Locke just seems to be more observant than others and thinks more, re: Charlie’s guitar. The plane came apart in the air, but Charlie never looked up. Belongings would be found not just on the ground.
-Locke makes the dog whistle,using his head, but others use their bodies to look for the dog. Not mystical, just common sense.
-is the wreckage by the waterfall from the recent crash or an earlier one? Are Adam and Eve from a previous crash, or were they always there?
-maybe Sun’s wish is not to leave Jin, but to have him become the person he was when they first married?
-where did Claire go?
-Locke is a great mystery.
-the wreckage at the caves seems to be from the jet, since that’s the area that Charlie’s guitar was in.
-when the skeletons where discovered, they wondered if they were from a shipwreck or plane crash
-Jacks’ father’s casket is there by the waterfall and caves
-perhaps the island is a time vortex, passing either slower or faster than the rest of the world
-that Locke said “you have to give something to the island” is strange, he’s an interesting character
-digging in with the group near the fresh water would be good. Teams of 2 or 4 should be sent to keep the fire going everyday, and spell out the word Help on the beach
-don’t they all seem to be misfits?
-the characters seem to dovetail, they’ve all had their troubles and tribulations, especially their reasons for being on the plane.
-seems the island wanted these specific people, and they need to be there.
-this episode made me cry
-these characters don’t have a clue, their too slow in providing themselves shelter, some living by the fresh water, but the ocean is needed as a food supply, they can’t just hunt boar
-no one has explored the island to see if there are other inhabitants, what if there’s a town at the other end?
-ditto on the vortex
-haven’t these guys ever watched Survivor?? :lol:
-the DGIs are annoying, get it together!!
-this, of course, won’t stop us from watching

[SageTheRage]

Did you see a snare, Sage?

Yes on saw a snare - well, at least I'm pretty sure I did :confused: IIRC, it was more of a "sense" of the woman being caught up into a snare as there was a loud rustling noise as the scenes from next week were being shown and right after the rustle there was the legs dangling down as I described...legs of someone small, thin build, white sox and blk low-cut soft boot style shoes.

Oh, and Mary - we *do* have a tinfoil icon here at CE :tinfoil:

[rb.]

:lol:Mary, I'd love to take credit for that humourous stuff, but it ain't me! :D

Personally, I think Hurley is a gamer (warrior comment), a hacker, or he writes code. Course, they'll prove me wrong and make him a teacher or something, probably.

ARGH! I'm having a hard time waiting til next Wednesday. ;)

[rb.]

Thanks, Sage. I only heard/saw Boone scream, then one small leg rising in the air.

[Mary]

Personally, I think Hurley is a gamer (warrior comment), a hacker, or he writes code. ;)

OF COURSE!!! Brilliant. I agree. (no really, i do :) )

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool: --- likes this version, looks as skeptical as i sometimes feel ;)

[y2kmisfit]

13 more hours!!

[Mary]

heheheheh...

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[SageTheRage]

:drool: pant pant :drool: pant pant :drool:

[Arubi]

StR,

I agree, can't wait :drool: (course I'll have to tape, this coming storm better not mess it up)

My guess on Hurley, CLERGYMAN, mainly because of his overall people skills and organization ways. :)

[SageTheRage]

As for Hurley I'm sorta going back to our discussions on names all have a specific meaning. I know it's been brought up that "Hurley" might not actually be his real name but then again, "Sawyer" isn't really Sawyer's name is it? Or is it?

Anyway, also thinking back to the golf course episode. If you think about it, that particular segment was just sorta thrown in there and then dropped. It was and then it was no more. They don't even talk about it anymore let alone use the course.

He hasn't lent his skills (if he indeed has any - or else he's keeping them under very tight wrap) in any meaningful level to survival on the island aside from that golf course. Another reason my thoughts run along a sports vein for him.

Since everything on the show has a meaning and is a clue of some sort, my guess on Hurley would be that he's some sort of gamer or sportsman perhaps? Maybe an athlete wash-out? A case of an injury that ended his career while in the minor leagues and the use of steroid meds made him the stature he is today???? The name "hurl" implies throw.
IIRC, isn't "hurling" an Olympic event with Scottish origins? Maybe he was a contender at some point in his life?

Just my :2cents: for FWIW. His flashback is due to come up soon so we'll find out just how far off "the mark" I am.

[Mary]

Hey all,

DH thinks Hurley was named that because he was a party animal in school. Lots of beer would explain the girth.

I do like the whole priest thing though.

I don't know what Sawyer's name is, I do know on the first show (or the 2nd) Jack standing beside Kate directly looked at him and said "Sawyer" But you never really know, do you?

The thing that bums me out is it's a TWO HOUR show and I get up at 5am. So I'll have to stay awake, watch while taping, be cranky in the morning, forget most of it and be glad I taped it.

One more thing for now: Does anyone know what happened to Locke 4 years ago that crippled him? I just can't get him out of my mind :love:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[Brooks]

The thing that bums me out is it's a TWO HOUR show and I get up at 5am.

I hear you on the 5 am thingy, but the listing I see for tonight is for 8 to 9 pm, just one hour. Where are you seeing 2 hours? (Sure would hate to miss the second half.)

[rb.]

I think Hurley got his nickname from puking, as a little kid. We know he's weak on the blood thing. He passed out on the Marshal when Jack was trying to fix him up. Maybe he got sick at the site of blood when he was young, or maybe he was one of those kids who puked when they saw another do it?

[Mary]

Brooks, I just checked it out in the TVGuide (because they're just sooOOOooo reliable :no: ) And it says 1 hour episode. But I thought I heard/saw someplace it was going to be a 2hour show. I guess I'm wrong, but keeping the tape running until I see whatever comes after :rolleyes:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[linttrap]

So sorry for the dupe. I have apparently gone blind with anticipation. :O

Linttrap

[y2kmisfit]

Brooks, I just checked it out in the TVGuide (because they're just sooOOOooo reliable :no: ) And it says 1 hour episode. But I thought I heard/saw someplace it was going to be a 2hour show. I guess I'm wrong, but keeping the tape running until I see whatever comes after :rolleyes:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

When they were advertising for it today and yesterday, they also mentioned a two hour ALIAS after it.

[Mary]

Ah-Ha!

thanks y2kmisfit ;)

Mary (no garden, no lamb)

[linttrap]

OK I admit I am revving up for tonight by surfing the fan sites for LOST. I found the following piece here:

http://losttheshow.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=2

This site is a good source of info about the show if you haven't already plumbed its depths for clues.

I thought this was an amusing summary of what has happened although it will only mean something if you have actually watched the show...no help here for those who are clueless to begin with...clueless...get it? :D

Linttrap
Is there a Lost Anonymous group out there yet?


So, if you've just tuned in, a quick series recap. (The rest of you can skip way down past all those boldfaced names.)

1. A plane en route from Australia to L.A. crashed on an island.

1a. No one knows what island it is.

2. Some people survived.

3. Among them: a hobbit, Agent Kendall from Alias (series creator J.J. Abrams' other show), and that one dude from Party of Five. Plus: hot chicks, Koreans, and a bunch of nameless extras who are undoubtedly thrilled to be earning scale until the monster eats them.

4. There's a monster.

5. There was at least one polar bear (dead now).

6. There is a looped radio transmission in French that's been going on for 16 years. It says, ''They are dead, they are all dead. . . . Come to help us. . . . I am trying to reach the black rock. . . . If someone can hear this . . . It killed them, it killed them all. . . . It's outside, and Brendon took the keys.''

6a. I do not speak French and do not know if the above is correct. I got it off the Internets, and well, you know how those can lie.

6b. The lines about Brendon and the black rock, if real, were not translated on the show.

7. The person transmitting the above is named Danielle Rousseau. She is a crazy French lady who lives in a bunker somewhere to the left of the beach where the plane crashed and who is looking for her son, Alex, and who had a lover named Robert and who has a thing for music boxes and guns.

7a. Rousseau is also the name of a French philosopher who came up with the ''noble savage'' theory, positing that all people are essentially good until corrupted by society.

7b. This choice for a name is the narrative equivalent of a brickbat to the side of the skull. Thanks, J.J.! Next thing you'll be telling us is that last name of the recognized group leader is, like, Shepherd or something. Sheesh.

Most of the post-pilot episodes have been dedicated to telling one character's back story. Some quick breakdowns of those people:

Jack Shepherd Recognized group leader. Angsty doctor, on plane because his dad died in Australia.

Kate Angsty convict, on plane because she'd been caught by a U.S. marshal.

U.S. Marshal See above (dead now).

Sawyer Angsty con man, on plane because . . . ?

Sayid Angsty former intelligence officer in the Iraqi Republican Guard, on plane because . . . ?

Charlie Angsty formerly drug-addicted rock star, on plane because he was visiting his brother in Australia.

The Koreans, Sun and Jin Angsty Koreans, on plane because she wasn't strong enough to leave him, although it's blurry to me why they were flying to L.A. in the first place, and as we learned tonight, blurry is bad. She secretly speaks English.

Locke Angsty former paraplegic, on plane returning from failed attempt to go on walkabout but miraculously cured in crash. Only one to see monster face to face. Revealed in last week's EW that it looks like ''a camera on a stick.'' Since that encounter, has taken on weird/scary spiritual/evil leader/manipulator role. Has a fetish for knives.

Even quicker descriptions of the people who haven't yet had a turn:

Hurley Smart fat guy. Invented golf.

Michael Smart black guy. Invented showers.

Walt Michael's kid. Has a fetish for knives.

Vincent Dog.

Shannon Rich snotty girl with asthma.

Boone Her do-gooder lifeguard brother.

Ethan Tom Cruise's cousin, showed up last week as a former nameless extra who helped Locke hunt and gather some suitcases that contained golf clubs (see above).

Scott and Steve Former nameless extras plucked out of obscurity to work for slightly more than scale!

Okay. If that's not enough background info, too bad, my friend. The rest of us must press on. Please take a moment to find your nearest emergency exit. Your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.

Tonight's episode was All About Claire, the angsty pregnant lady. Turns out she was on the plane because a psychic told her to be. But we'll get to that in a minute. Overall, a decent episode made much, much better by its absolutely bloodcurdling final moments. On my shiny new Desert Island Satisfaction Scale, it rated a strong six coconuts, with a one-coconut deduction because of all the Nick and Jessica's Christmas in Whitney's Personal Hell commercials I was forced to suffer through. But that's just me. Moving on!

First let's talk about Claire's initial nightmare and the continuing function of Locke as this freaky shaman know-it-all who's putting things in motion and curing people of drug habits and apparently now spending time showing up in dreams. In Claire's terrorfest, he's sitting at a table playing with cards — one of the cards having a cool and wildly symbolic knife-unsheathing sound effect to it — and telling her that the baby was her responsibility and ''everyone pays the price now,'' which doesn't really make any sense at that point in the show, but what's awesome are his eyes, one black and one white, a nice parallel to the backgammon game and the pouch of stones Jack found on the two corpses they called Adam and Eve and . . . oh man, there's so much. The black and white thing has a significance. The beach vs. the caves thing has a significance. There is a significance, frankly, to a lot of this stuff but I have no idea what it is yet. The most obvious thing is a fight between good and evil, but then I feel like I'd have to start talking about a certain Stephen King novel whose initials are The Stand, ya know? And also if it comes down to a simple fight between good and evil, this show will turn out to be Not a Good Show, in my opinion.

But anyway, Claire wakes up screeeeeeaming and has blood on her hands. Jack says it's because she was clenching her fists so tightly that she cut her palms open, but all I can think is stigmata. That, combined with her freaky Antichrist baby . . . But we'll get to that in a minute. Her second nightmare, which also wakes her up screeeeeeeaming, features someone putting their hand over her mouth and then trying to stab her pregnant belly with something. . . . Oh, actually, let's just cut to the meat of it here:

So Claire, the angsty pregnant lady, is angsty because she was lied to by a total assface boyfriend named Thomas who practically begged her to have the kid and then abandoned her, which is what men do all the time, especially on TV, and I don't know why we keep falling for it. Sigh. I liked that her first reaction after reading the positive test stick was to make the bed. I liked seeing her thin and happy for a bit. I did not like the bad Australian accent on the friend who took her to the psychic. I did like the psychic, who touched her hands and closed his eyes and then practically had a coronary right then and there he was so terrified. He wouldn't give her a reading, but then after Thomas Assface abandoned her, Claire went back, and Coronary Psychic said (a) that blurry is bad and (b) that Claire, herself, had to raise her baby, dammit, that ''danger surrounds this baby'' and that her ''nature, spirit, goodness must be an influence'' (and all the Rousseau scholars go, ''Ooh! I get it!''). But Claire wants to put the baby up for adoption. So after one aborted (sorry) plan involving a cheesy moment with all these pens running out of ink as she's trying to sign adoption documents, she goes back to the psychic who puts her on Flight 815, which crashes onto this island where there is a hobbit and also a monster.

In case of an emergency, oxygen masks will drop from the ceiling. . . .

Meanwhile, back in real time, Hurley comes up with the idea to take a census. This is spurred by his realization that he knows nothing about Scott and Steve or the vast majority of the 46 people who survived the crash, and so he starts walking around getting everyone's name and where they're from and why they were on the plane. Locke was looking for something that found him. Ethan's last name is Rom, and he's from Ontario. Hurley's real name, it turns out, is Hugo Reyes. Eventually Boone reminds Hurley that there's a passenger manifest and he should just check that, and so he does, and some other stuff happens but what matters is that Claire is sitting in the woods when she goes into labor and Charlie is with her and he goes and finds Ethan and tells Ethan to get Jack and then comes back but the contractions stop and Claire says she feels better and then Charlie says the Words of Doom: ''I told you I'd take care of you.''

Charlie. You never, ever say that. Not unless you want the person with you to die. And sure enough, just as he's saying that, Sayid returns to the caves to say, ''We're not alone!'' and Hurley returns to the caves to say, ''There's one person who wasn't on the plane with us!'' and then cut back to the forest where Tom Cruise's cousin Ethan is staring at Claire from under heavy-lidded eyes like she's a hamster caught in a glue trap and he's planning on enjoying her as an afternoon snack. And then: Boom! Lost.

Okay, so totally freaky ending. Totally a billion discussion questions for you all to handle below.

1. Who is Ethan? Well, here's a phun phact: Ethan Rom is an anagram for other man. Ahem.

2. Is Ethan related somehow to Danielle Rousseau? Is he Alex?

3. Is Claire's baby really the Antichrist? Did the psychic really know the plane was going to crash? I mean, if she has to raise the kid herself, then the desert island is a good place to be since ain't no one gonna adopt the kid, but what if evil French people and Tom Cruise's cousin kidnap her and steal the baby? Was the whole plane crash an elaborate scheme to get the baby? And could Thomas Assface have picked a better baby to walk out on, lucky bastard?

4. Where did the polar bear come from?

5. Do you think Naveen Andrews will marry me?

6. Where's Vincent been lately?

7. What was Locke making down on the beach, with the sand and the palm frond and the rubbing? I'm hoping for: loincloth.

8. Is Locke getting tired of being the island's bitch?

9. If Kate sank all the way into the sand, how long would it take Jack to notice? Sawyer? Anyone else?

10. How are these people maintaining their body hair? (Please note: This question also applies to Survivor.)

10a. Where's Probst?

11. Is ''One sugarplumfairy, two sugarplumfairy'' not the cutest damn thing you've ever heard a hobbit say?

[SageTheRage]

Oooooooooh Linttrap, this was a fabulous read! Thank you for posting it :hug: Only thing is, now its making the clock tick s-l-o-w-e-r ever s_l_o_w_e-r til show time!!!!!!! :crier: I am sooooo pumped!!!!!! :dancecool

[shyLurker]

Wow! How many men has Kate killed? What's with the toy airplane among her personal effects? Wasn't it ''beyond the sea" that Shannon was singing in French?

Where is everyone tonight?

Loretta V.

[shyLurker]

Wishes he could speak French! ;)

Loretta V.

[rb.]

DH watching it now, I watched it earlier. Something I just picked up: Kate demanded the key from the bank manager for a safe deposit box. The number of the box? 815. In the envelope, within the box, a small plane. The flight they were on was 815. Claire's appointment to sign the adoption papers was 8:15. Don't know if it means anything as I've read that JJ Abrahms (sp?) does this sort of thing on Alias, as well.

Also, anyone know the words to that song in Finding Nemo that Shannon was talking about? I'm sure that's the fish cartoon she meant.

Except for the interaction between Kate and Sawyer, I found this episode pretty boring. And I still think Kate was some sort of cop or agent undercover. Don't really know why, just a feeling. And Hurley knew the kind of briefcase it was, along with Michael. So Hurley definitely strikes me as involved in business or the tech industry.

Also, quite a bit of emphasis was put on the Beachers having to move because the water was rising. Is the island forcing them to move? Is it splitting them further apart? Is there a logical, scientific reason for the water to rise so much? I know there are some tides higher than others, but they made it seem it was a continual thing. Land lubber here, no clue.

[rb.]

This was the song Shannon was singing in French, isn't it? I think it's been used in a commerical in the last few years.

BEYOND THE SEA
(La Mer)
(Charles Trenet / Jack Lawrence)

Bobby Darin - 1960
Also recorded by : Tex Beneke; Claude Bolling; Bobby Caldwell;
Eric Comstock; Ray Conniff; Martin Denny; Stan Edwards;
Brian Evans; Percy Faith; Glo-Worm; Jive Bunny & The Mastermixers;
Erich Kunzel; Byron Lee & The Dragonaires; Tom Lellis; Gary LeMel;
Sonny Lester; Gisele MacKenzie; Frank Mantooth Jazz Orch.;
Mantovani; Kent Morrill; Gene Nery; Johnny Nero; Royal Crown Revue;
Dick Schory; Duncan Sheik; Kevin Spacey; Frank Stallone;
Madra Thomas; Robbie Williams; Roger Williams; Stevie Wonder;



Somewhere beyond the sea
somewhere waiting for me
my lover stands on golden sands
and watches the ships that go sailin

Somewhere beyond the sea
she's there watching for me
If I could fly like birds on high
then straight to her arms
I'd go sailin'

It's far beyond the stars
it's near beyond the moon
I know beyond a doubt
my heart will lead me there soon

We'll meet beyond the shore
we'll kiss just as before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
and never again I'll go sailin'

I know beyond a doubt
my heart will lead me there soon
We'll meet (I know we'll meet) beyond the shore
We'll kiss just as before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
and never again I'll go sailin'

no more sailin'
so long sailin'
bye bye sailin'...


*****


LA MER
(Beyond The Sea)
(A. Lasry / Charles Trenet)

Charles Trenet (France)
Miguel Bosé (Panama)


Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie

La mer
Au ciel d'été confond
Ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs
La mer bergère d'azur
Infinie

Voyez
Près des étangs
Ces grands roseaux mouillés
Voyez
Ces oiseaux blancs
Et ces maisons rouillées

La mer
Les a bercés
Le long des golfes clairs
Et d'une chanson d'amour
La mer
A bercé mon cœur pour la vie

[SageTheRage]

Thanks for the yummy picture, Shy. He speaks my language :love:

As for tonight's show...wow! ... what a ride, eh?

I am still ticked at Shannon and she bugs me something fierce. She's whining that everyone thinks she's useless yet she willingly plays the part. I don't even think I'll like her after her flashback is revealed and her sob story comes out in the open. Regarding her song, the tune sounded familiar but I couldn't quite grasp it. Do you suppose it has any connection with Danielle's music box? Sayid was a part of that musical segment too is what made me think of it. Women + song = Sayid (all ya need is the wine)

I know it's just a show but really, the "attraction" that the writer's have scripted for Sayid's interest in her is just plain wrong for his character. I'm more his type anyway and best of all, I speak French (sssh! just don't tell him it's high school french from a few decades ago)

As for Kate whoa! ...what a shock, eh? You asked about the airplane, well there's definitely got to be more to it than just a keepsake. Did it look more like a military plane rather than a commercial plane to you? Her shooting abilities/moves in that bank were awesome - almost as good as my other "bank shooter hero" Trinity from Matrix. My guess is she is an undercover agent.

Judging by next week's episode, I'm now re-thinking that it's Shannon who gets caught next and not Kate as I originally thought (referring to the thin leg, white sock, black soft boot shoe getting caught up in the air in preview).

And with Locke doing that head thunk sure makes me wonder if he wasn't the one who conked Sayid from behind that time!

And you're right, Loretta... WHERE IS EVERYONE TONIGHT :confused:

[rb.]

When they were tracking Charlie and Claire, Kate told Jack that she was in the PNW, I think, and her father was stationed at Ft. ???. Does anyone remember where he was stationed? Was he a pilot?

[occupant]

O.K. Maybe I've got time to type all this...
Gleaned this info from ABC's Lost message board.Post person is ToledoTV. Interesting Chap. I have not researched this myself.
* That thick cable leading out of/into the water got me thinking...energy source...South pacific...nuclear testing 1988...
From the late 60's to 1987, the French government performed nuclear tests on the Islands of french Polynesia, mostly concentrated on two islands, Fangataufa and Moruroa. They treid a number of different methods, plane drops, underground and from barges in the middle of lagoons just off shore.
The tests were stopped because of the possible health risks they posed to the Polynesians in the area. Medical science teams deployed to the islands(from 1988 on, 16 yrs. ago) found strange skin disorders, contaminated fish, insanity, and animal mutations. The underground explosions also caused loss of vegetation and craters on the above two islands. SOUND FAMILIAR?
In his early writing, Swiss philosopher Rousseau (the doctors name) contended that man is essentially good, a " noble savage" when in the state of nature" (the state of all the other animals, and the condition man was in before the creation of civilization and society) and that good people are made unhappy and corrupted by their experiences in society. He viewed society as "artificial" and "corrupt" and that the furthering of society results in the continuing unhappiness of man.
All of this explains the "sickness" of Rousseaus colleagues, the golf course area with no vegetation(even 20 or so years later) the freakishly huge animals, the cable leading to a barge perhaps inder water, the" black rock" where people get contaminated. Rousseaus paranoia(trip wires, etc.) and her attempts to keep people away from her, the reason no one ever rescued them...
* ( Another poster) O.K. I just googled Moruroa and found an article that includes the name Sawyer( Greenpeace head of nuclear testing research at Moruroa) and Locke (New Zealand politician involved in the fight to end nuclear testing and make amends for the past) Coincidence, hmmm...
*(another poster) Not everything has to fit perfectly-the show is fiction based. Did more research...
"Moruroa" literally means "Island of Secrets" it is an atoll, which is coral land surrounding a lagoon. Could the lagoon be the "eye" that Locke looked into and found beautiful? While being used as a nuclear test facility, some buildings were erected on one side of it to support this work and house the scientists. The drawback to both Moruroa and Fangataufa is that atolls are not mountainous as the island looks on the show. The highest point on Moruroa is 20 ft. But then again, the show is fiction...
Another interesting thing is that french Polynesia is frequented by Dengue epidemics. Most of them are of the varity that cause discomfort for a few days, then recede. However, in the 1980's there were some"experimental epidemics" of Dengue that ran amock. In 1988-89 there were cases of dengue Hemmoragic Fever/ Shock syndrome, which took the lives of over 35, 000 in a population of 140,000 in French Polynesia. What if that mutated into something really frightening because of radiation poisoning? Maybe this is the sickness that the french scientists were concerned about leaving the island.
*** These postings are from November 2004. I again state that I have not researched these ideas, but faithfully have followed the show and this thread.
There are some great ideas here, and some real detectives ! Tonights show leaves me with more questions than ever ! Was Kate in love with a pilot? Was her father a pilot? Maybe ran hunters up into Canada or Alaska? Hmmm...

[occupant]

Another quickie note, Notice Shannon saying to her brother, " What is Locke your new boyfriend?" Hmmm...

[SageTheRage]

Yeah, I picked up on that too, Occupant but had forgotten about it til you brought it up here. Thx for your lengthy post above from ABC's message board - some good stuff in there :tup:

[rb.]

Yup on the nuke stuff. Remember when I was talking about the sound they heard before the trees started wagging in the pilot? Rose said it sounded familiar. I thought it sounded like a warning horn/sound of some sort like for demolition or nukes. A yup, a yup...

Very interesting stuff you found, occupant.

I caught that "boyfriend" comment from Shannon, too. Very interesting...he did help his mom with a wedding business, right? ;)

[y2kmisfit]

rb
Good work on the 815! I also thought it was their flight number, but didn't realize it was the time of Claire's appointment!
The lyrics to "Beyond the Sea" doesn't seem to match what Shannon was translating for Sayid. I too thought she was refering to the movie Finding Nemo.

Occupant
very interesting stuff you found!


The toy plane of Kates appeared to be an old model passenger plane. Twin props and lots of windows. It also had what appeared to be the numbers 5027 on one wing.

In the preview for next week Locke and Shannons brother were uncovering what appeared to be a window or inspection window bolted with 10 large bolts to a curved structure. Was it the plane of Kates? Or something else?
It sort of reminded me of a window in a bathosphere(sp?)

[y2kmisfit]

these are some of the french words that I saw when Shannon was translating for Sayid.

A DES REFLECTS (or REFLEETS, it's hard to read) D'ARGENT
DE LA TANG
BLEUE

these are similar to the lyrics rb posted above, but not quite

[y2kmisfit]

in the scenes for next episode.

In slo-mo, it doesn't look like Shannon running. Looks similar, but older looking. The clothes don't look like something she would wear either.
Not picked up by a snare, as you see both legs as she goes up. Maybe the creature got her.

Locke sure can't let Shannon's brother get back to the others after knocking him out.

[rb.]

Kate's skills with a gun, as displayed during the bank robbery, don't usually come from Dad's teaching. Kate has had professional training. So why is she still keeping it a secret? And she told Jack the plane belonged to the man she loved/killed. Did she really kill him, or does she figure she's responsible for his death? A fellow agent of some sort? Or did she have such a good cover that it convinced her father, disappointed him, and he died never knowing she wasn't a bad girl? Hmm... :confused:

[y2kmisfit]

was the plane a Douglas DC-3?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3

[shyLurker]

Oh! I just remembered something. During the bank robbery Kate not only asked for the safe deposit box, but also THE SIGNATURE CARD. Seems she would know who owned it.
Another clue perhaps?

Loretta V.

[rb.]

Loretta, I think she said the robbery was a cover for access to the safe deposit box so as NOT to have the signature card involved. All this for a little toy plane???

[y2kmisfit]

Oh! I just remembered something. During the bank robbery Kate not only asked for the safe deposit box, but also THE SIGNATURE CARD. Seems she would know who owned it.
Another clue perhaps?

Loretta V.

The bank manager asked her why she didn't just ask to get into it since she had the key, she said she wasn't the signaturee.

[linttrap]

Originally Posted by shyLurker
Oh! I just remembered something. During the bank robbery Kate not only asked for the safe deposit box, but also THE SIGNATURE CARD. Seems she would know who owned it.
Another clue perhaps?

The bank manager asked her why she didn't just ask to get into it since she had the key, she said she wasn't the signaturee.
*******
I just went back through the whole episode looking for more details and what she actually said was that she wasn't ON the signatory card! NOt sure what difference that makes from the above but since everything seems to have significance...

I was disappointed in last night's episode for some reason I haven't quite put my finger on yet. It will come to me.

I was really struck by how easily Kate lied and manipulated everyone in that episode...she lied to Jack about 4 times in a row with a smile on her face a couple of those times. And for what? Why not just lie about what the plane is...why go through so much effort to keep them from the case if getting the plane was all that she wanted?

Her almost reflexive dishonesty and secrecy is looking more and more sociopathic and polished, leading me to think she HAS worked for one of the alphabet agencies.

And isn't it strange that nobody seems all that interested in tracking down Claire? Are they just assuming Locke is going to handle it? Any sense of urgency about finding and rescuing her seems to be absent.

I read on a board last night someone's theory about why Shannon and Boone are so angry with each other...they were both involved with the same guy, previously! Someone else speculated that they were involved with each other...they are STEP brother and sister. Either scenario is interesting as a reason for their antagonism.

We will find out something next week since their back story will be coming up in that episode.

Linttrap

[occupant]

I don't think that was Shannon getting hoisted up that tree trap, either.
Claire and her abductor will remain hidden, Jin’s wife will vanish
In rb.'s post #87.
That lil leg looked like hers.

[SageTheRage]

I'm thinking y2kmisfit might be onto something with the url link to that plane. During the show, when Kate was holding it, I kept thinking that it had a chunky old style look to it - not as sleek looking as our modern commercial aircraft. That's why I asked if anyone else thought it might have been a military plane. I think it was a replica of her father's plane from his military days.

Having said t hat, perhaps her tears over "killing the only man I ever loved" was because she "killed" her father? (meaning he died of a broken heart because of her????) I'm still going to hold out that she is an undercover agent for FBI/CIA or something.

I dunno, Occupant, about it being Jin's wife's leg we saw go up in the tree trap - the person belonging to that leg had on shorts. Her hubby has had fits about her even unbottoning ONE button on her cardigan let alone "allow" her to wear shorts...then again, she's been tooling around in a camisole top the last few episodes so who knows!

The double-lover scenario of Shannon & Boone with the same guy is an interesting as in VERY interesting theory. That would tie in neatly with her comment to him about Locke being his new boyfriend. Therefore, that would knock out though, the likelihood of S & B (although STEP siblings) having been involved with one another at some point.

Locke's character seems to continually evolve into other levels. I think it is in keeping with the light and dark dealy he's so enamoured with. I still like him though - very intriquing to be sure.

Since Hurley's flashback is dead last and is supposedly going to be a SHOCKER (emphasis not mine but read it elsewhere) then I guess he's going to be the "sleeper" character that had been hinted about early on.

One thing I somewhat dislike about the show in general is how things/events/characters build up to a crescendo and then suddenly they aren't a focus anymore. The mention of it/them is just dropped and then (sometimes) just brought back up again later on (if at all). I've noticed however, that the talk of Danielle hasn't ever completely gone away although its died down a great deal so that's definitely going to be a major factor in the show overall. But as I said before, the golf course was a big deal and ate up prime time in one of the episodes and then, poof! gone - never mentioned again. Why? So was it a clue? Or just a ruse to throw us off as viewers thinking it was "something" when it's a "nothing"???

Sorry if I sound cranky. I'm still ticked at the show yesterday becuase of my disdain for that whiney Shannon. :buttkick: and if Sayid falls for her :trout: ... well that'll rip it for me right good! :furious:

[rb.]

I dunno, Sage. I have this strange feeling we may end up liking Shannon after her history begins to appear. One thing about this show is that they can turn your head with each character's backstory whenever they want. Look how likeable Sawyer became. I liked Kate until this last episode, now I don't feel too kindly about her. And just about every episode I flip on how I feel about Locke. But then again, maybe it's just me. :D

[SageTheRage]

True on Sawyer but he's also got his rugged good looks going for him. Shannon doesn't have that hold over my loins - I don't swing her way :rofl:

But yeah, in all seriousness, you're prolly right but can I still hold resentment towards her if Sayid does fall for her? :crier:

[SageTheRage]

:clap: TGIW!!! :drool:

[Arubi]

12 January 2005
"Hearts and Minds" (8/7c)
When Locke learns that Boone wants to tell their "secret" to Shannon, Shannon's life is placed in sudden peril, and the shocking truth about her past with Boone is revealed. Meanwhile, Kate is puzzled by Sun's mysterious behavior, and a hungry Hurley must repay a debt to Jin.
http://www.lost-tv.com/

[rb.]

:rofl:

The Sawyer Song (with pictures)

http://www.freewebs.com/lostfoundation/sawyersong.html

[linttrap]

Place your bets now on whether it is Shannon being snatched up into the air! Tell us who you think it is if not her.

I vote yes--it's Shannon!

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Place your bets now on whether it is Shannon being snatched up into the air! Tell us who you think it is if not her.

I vote yes--it's Shannon!

Linttrap

I can only hope it's her and so help me gawd if Sayid rescues her...!!!!!! :no: :furious: :trout:

[rb.]

I don't know. I've got Lost on the tv beside me, and I'm trying hard not to look. (DH watching it.) I have ELO (Telephone Line) blasting in the earphones so I can't hear it. Is it over yet?? Crap. Missed the first half hour, so I'm glad I put the tape in. Thank god for VCRs. :D

Yeehawww! Rewind, rewind. :D

[linttrap]

Stay away rb---there are going to be lots of spoilers on this thread!

Well, I just have to say that this episode makes up for last week's lame one!

I really thought Shannon had bought the farm, that she was going to be the major cast member who gets killed off. And quite frankly, after more of her character was revealed, I was ready to not miss her. Not to mention that would eliminate that thorny little problem of hunky Sayid hooking up with her. But no, not only is she not dead, her "brother" has given up his crush on her, opening the door even more. I don't like the way this is going at all...Sayid and Shannon...just can't make it work for me.

Anybody else getting the impression that Sun's husband also speaks English? ;)

Ahh...the twists and turns of this episode. Most excellent. :beer:

Linttrap

[FireDance]

Anybody else getting the impression that Sun's husband also speaks English? ;) Linttrap

Heh, probably better than you or I.

Sniff, I haven't watched this series because I'm always out of pocket when it's on, but I love to come here and read about it. Stinks. I can't wait until it comes out on DVD so I can watch from the very beginning! Of course, it won't be as much fun because all the hoopla will have died down. Oh well, story of my life, day late, dollar short.

[SageTheRage]

Yep, linttrap, I am agreement on Jin's hubby speaking english as well.

Hey, did you guys also notice that all the seeds that Kate came upon and the ones given to her by Jack were all black ones? Remember the light vs. dark discussion we've had since almost the beginning? Things are certainly turning more sinister on the island so I think all the dark seeds of tonight's episode were telling indeed.

Oh and one more thing, glad that others are in agreement with me on the dislike of Shannon. I've not liked her from day one and haven't been hesitant to say that (in case ya didn't notice, heh!) but it's nice to know I'm not alone.

And you've all got to already know that the whole Sayid/Shannon connection is just plain WRONG!

Speaking of...what was that "gift" that he presented her with? Was it a pair of shoes? Didn't she say something about them not being her size or something about size? I was ironing when that scene came on and didn't look up fast enough to see just what was in the box.

[SageTheRage]

Sniff, I haven't watched this series because I'm always out of pocket when it's on, but I love to come here and read about it. Stinks. I can't wait until it comes out on DVD so I can watch from the very beginning! Of course, it won't be as much fun because all the hoopla will have died down. Oh well, story of my life, day late, dollar short.

I'm hoping to get the DVD's or VHS version too, FireDance and yet I've not missed one episode. I know what you mean about the hoopla being over, but still it would be nice for you to have in your collection. I know I'll be glad to add it to mine.

Hey, you do know that there's going to be a 2nd season, don't you? Perhaps you'll be able to watch them "live as they happen" next go round.

[linttrap]

I missed seeing the gift, too, Sage, so I just went back and reviewed the tape in slo-mo. Yes, shoes, and from what I could see of them, kind of tacky. :eek:

Of course, that's a matter of taste....but they appeared to have large flowers on them. Not for me! It was just a glimpse so I might have been imagining it...yeah, that's it. I was hallucinating. :rolleyes:

I think the whole knowing English thing is just a way to integrate the Korean couple more closely into the group. They both know English but have kept it secret from each other, there's some sort of transitory strife when they each realize they kept the secret from the other, they make up, now they can fully participate in everyone else's situation. :yes:

Linttrap

[rb.]

FireDance, you can download all of the Lost episodes, including the pilot at Limewire. It took me about 3 days to get all but one or two of them. The file sizes for each episode are about 350 MB. And no commercials. Limewire is the only one I know of, but I've read there are other file share places online to get them.

http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml

Well, I guess I have to eat my words on Shannon. She's pond scum. Can't really say I have any more respect for Boone, though, either. Hmm. I like the relationship development between Sun and Kate, and Hurley and Jin. But there was a really big problem with this episode...NO SAWYER. :mad:

(drift...had to wait til 11 to watch it...we watched The Butterfly Effect when Lost was over. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch. Interesting, to say the least.)

[Brooks]

But there was a really big problem with this episode...NO SAWYER. :mad:

But there was! In the Boone flashback to the police station. Sawyer was being dragged into the station, just arrested, presumably, and making quite a stink. The cop was explaining to Boone that if that guy (Sawyer) had been the guy harassing his sister they could have done something about it.

So, we apparently now know that Sawyer was in trouble with the law just before the flight started. (Not out of the question, I suppose, that some of them ran into each other.) Does anyone think or recall whether Boone recognized Sawyer once on the island?

[linttrap]

"Does anyone think or recall whether Boone recognized Sawyer once on the island?"

Unless they had more interaction than what was portrayed, I wouldn't really expect him to. He had his back to Sawyer...only turned his head briefly to look at him when the cop said something about Sawyer, and had his attention focused on his issue so intensely I would imagine Sawyer didn't register at all.

Regarding the hatch in the ground...it looks so familiar but I can't put my finger on where I have seen it. I went and looked at pictures of space capsules thinking that might be it, but those hatches are flush, not raised.

Anybody else have bells ringing on what that hatch resembles?

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Anybody else have bells ringing on what that hatch resembles?

I know this is gonna sound stupid, but honestly, my 1st thought when I saw the hatch was an old submarine.

But ya know what, linttrap - here's something that's been sticking in the back of my mind since the very 1st episode that might tie in with your space capsule theory...

I dunno if my mind is subconsciously making a connection to "space" theme due to the name LOST (read: the old sci-fi "Lost in Space") but everytime I see the show's intro with the way the letters L O S T are placed and the glowing whiteness of the letters and the eerie sounds, I keep getting a "space" sensation. Perhaps you're NOT wrong with your hatch looks like a space capsule idea? Maybe its an OLD, OLD space capsule concept and that's why you're not finding any matches on the internet?

Just my convoluted :2cents:

[linttrap]

I understand what you mean about how the LOST letters float around in a ghostly weightless way, Sage.

If it is a space capsule, I can't find a picture of it! I looked at every space capsule hatch image I could Google and saw nothing like it. So now I am wondering what in the world it is I am remembering!!

There's a lot of people throwing out possibilities about that hatch on the ABC LOST boards so I think I will go back and see if anyone has unearthed anything today.

I do love this show. I just know it is going to deteriorate into meaningless flotsam and jetsam like the X-files did...but I can hope. :yes:

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Thx for not thinking me a nutcase with the "spacey" thing, linttrap; do let me know if any other kooks out there in the forums you're perusing mention the possibility of it looking like a submarine - although how a sub woulda got all the way up to the interior of the island I have no idea, heh ... unless it was ALL covered by water at some other point in time????

[FireDance]

[QUOTE=rb.]FireDance, you can download all of the Lost episodes, including the pilot at Limewire. It took me about 3 days to get all but one or two of them. The file sizes for each episode are about 350 MB. And no commercials. Limewire is the only one I know of, but I've read there are other file share places online to get them.

http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml

[QUOTE]

OOOOH! Thanks rb. I guess I know what I'll spend at least part of tomorrow doing!!! Exciting. maybe I can catch up...

[y2kmisfit]

the floating L...O....S...T reminds me of "The Twilight Zone"

[rb.]

No problem, FireDance.

Just a few thoughts here. The water is rising so much that the "beach campers" had to move. There is a hatch that Boone and Locke are working on. Hatches are on space ships (?) and submarines, also other ships. What if the hatch has to do with the rising water? Has the water risen before? Locke said something about it being sealed with concrete. Is it designed to keep something out, or in? If it's in, is it the monster that needs to stay in? Will they be dooming themselves by opening it?

Curious minds want to know. :D

[FireDance]

Speculation obviously, but what if there's an underground "race"? You know, ala all those rumors that there is a race that lives in the center of the earth?

Maybe it's their way of ditching the island. Of course, I don't think they've exhausted all the island possibilities, but maybe they've decided to interject some other "world". Maybe that's where the "controllers" live.

[Mary]

Maybe that's where the "controllers" live.

Oooo, excellent! Bravo/Brava!!

I always thought of the Island itself as another character in this show. Now it sorta reminds me of the HGWells (?) story about a TimeMachine that goes into the future and see Earth. There are two sects of people. Those on top who seemingly live in Utopia and the ones that live underground, using the top ones for food. (I'm sure someone remembers this better :) )

So, yeah it could be a spaceship. Then again (as another theory goes) they really could be on another planet being studied. (don't really go w/that tho)

Okay, my job is to look for the red. In Shannon's house there was one red sconce, lit, over the fireplace. There should have been two (interior decorating-wise :rolleyes: )

Now riddle me this (please?) What did Locke *do* to Boone? How did he make him have that vision/nightmare? Is it because Locke looked into the eyes of the Beast (the Island) that he can do things like hypnotize (sp?) people with one look? If so...WOW.

And when Boone came back and Locke said 'how did it make you feel?' Boone answered "relieved." Relieved that Shannon was dead? Huh? Is he in love with her or not? What lesson did Boone learn, any guesses? Anyone...

(Oh yeah, that was decent of the Koren guy to give Hurley the fish, gutted and all :) )

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[rb.]

Now riddle me this (please?) What did Locke *do* to Boone? How did he make him have that vision/nightmare? Is it because Locke looked into the eyes of the Beast (the Island) that he can do things like hypnotize (sp?) people with one look? If so...WOW.

I think that little preparation Locke was mushing up was some type of hallucinigen, and when he applied it to Boone's head, Boone hallucinated. Kind of like a "vision quest" to allow Boone to really find himself.


And when Boone came back and Locke said 'how did it make you feel?' Boone answered "relieved." Relieved that Shannon was dead? Huh? Is he in love with her or not? What lesson did Boone learn, any guesses? Anyone...

I think Boone was relieved when he thought Shannon was dead (or when he thought she was dead, then found she was really alive) because he felt he loved her but she was destructive in his life, or it was unrequited, or he felt too responsible, loved her but didn't like her, etc. Boone has "cut the cord" with her now, I think. That relieves him.

[linttrap]

"Okay, my job is to look for the red. In Shannon's house there was one red sconce, lit, over the fireplace. There should have been two (interior decorating-wise )"

Hey, Mary, I have noticed on some of the fan boards a reference to the "redshirts" but have not really explored it yet. Are there minor characters that you have noticed who are always in red? I will go look at that today and if I find any information about red I'll bring it back for your Red hunt.

Linttrap

[linttrap]

Nyever mind about the redshirts, Mary. It's a reference to the Startrek habit of putting the extras who wind up dead in red shirts. :)

Regarding all those extras milling around that we never get a really good look at, this is a quote from Damon Lindelof (one of the creators of Lost) I found on a fan board.

DL: J.J. and I decided to have 48 people survive because we wanted to stock the show with as many possible story avenues as possible. As I recall, the network tried to talk us out of it. Greatest thing about the "other" castaways is that they can come forward for an episode, then melt back into the chorus. The popular thinking that their function is purely to be Red Shirts is grossly mistaken. In FACT... We've always loved the idea that one of our series regs goes traipsing off into the jungle with one of the castaways we've never seen before. The audience is thinking the poor yahoo with one line is gonna die a gruesome and horrible death, but then it's the REGULAR who gets wiped out. It will be done. Watch and see.

Linttrap

[Mary]

I think that little preparation Locke was mushing up was some type of hallucinigen, and when he applied it to Boone's head, Boone hallucinated. Kind of like a "vision quest" to allow Boone to really find himself.

Yes but, Boone was never tied up, I looked for the scars when he was on the beach with Locke at the end of the show and there weren't any. But you're probably right about that potent that Locke was mixing up :stir: The Question; When did he give it to him (insert sinister laugh)?.

I think Boone was relieved when he thought Shannon was dead (or when he thought she was dead, then found she was really alive) because he felt he loved her but she was destructive in his life, or it was unrequited, or he felt too responsible, loved her but didn't like her, etc. Boone has "cut the cord" with her now, I think. That relieves him.

Ahh, thanks. That makes sense. Shannon is extremely destructive. Honestly I don't like her and never did. And I can't stand it that Sayid keeps going around her... :re:

Linttrap: good digging up. I still think there is something up with the color red in this show. There was only one episode where there wasn't any bright red around; however, it was the episode where "Rose" was helping Charlie (is he too cute or what :) ) OH and check it out, the last few places I lived were 48 Yada Street and there are 48 characters? hmm, I just think it's :eek: err, nothing really :)

Brook: I remember seeing Sawyer in the police station too! Wonder what *that* was about?

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[SageTheRage]

About color:

The axe that Locke and Boone were using to try to break into the hatch was red; the knife (handle) that Locke handed over to Sayid (several episodes back after Sayid had been knocked unconscious) was also red.

Did you notice that all the seeds in last week's show were all DARK? Thinking back to the early discussions of dark vs. light...and the show is definitely taking on a more dark "sinister" nature at this point.

They're starting to talk more and more of Danielle again so my thought is that you guys are on the right track with the thoughts that that hatch might lead to some serious underground danger and most specifically that of the controllers.

And what of Claire? How long (in their time) has she been gone now? A week surely if each episode is comprised of a 24-48 hr. time period. With all that's happened to her (not even including the crash itself...yikes!) I can't understand how in the heck she's not had that baby yet! She's fallen (belly first no less), been roughed up in her sleep, been traumatized up the whazoo, and now is (supposedly) in the hands of gawd only knows what monster(s). When she's eventually rescued, I know she'll still have to be preggers because her palm reader back home stressed the importance of HER and ONLY HER raising that child. I doubt she'd be able to give birth on her own under the controller's captivity and still manage to hang onto the child when the rescue comes.

What Locke did for Boone was awesome! He essentially released him from his own demons so he can FINALLY move forward in his life.

What is the speculation as to WHO is gonna die this gruesome, horrible death????? My guess is that it might be Locke because as I said from the beginning, he's like some sort of "savior"/guiding light. And if you notice, he is the one who is 'enligtening' everyone on matters of survival, the island, their inner fears/strengths, etc. We're all also sensed a religious theme (somewhat) in the show.....so perhaps Locke is to be the sacrificial "Christ"?

[linttrap]

Starting the countdown for tonight's episode! The previews are very intriguing! It seems that a lot is going to happen tonight, including the return of the polar bear.

I'm so glad I have something to distract me this afternoon (training staff at a Brain Injury program about symptoms of Occipital Lobe damage...exciting stuff :rolleyes: ) or I could conceivably work myself into a stroke in anticipation.

Linttrap

[Avatar]

This from the ABC lost board.
Someone suggested a theory called the "Monster from the Id" theory (aka: Final Five Seconds of Life - Alternate Reality)

They could be on to something there.
The whole series is taking place in the minds of the characters in the last few seconds of their life before they actually die in the crash. And the island experience is a chance for them to tie up all the subconscious loose ends in their lives. ie they are all "Lost" souls? Could also explain all the flashbacks.
Sounds possible, but I hope not.
I'm hoping that it IS a REAL experience.

[SageTheRage]

Hey There, Avatar! :wave:

Welcome aboard CE and especially the "Lost" thread.
The theory you proposed above is an interesting one and something many of us have considered. Wouldn't that be a real kick in the pants if it's true though? I'm with you, I sure hope it's not.

Since there is going to be a 2nd season, and all the flashbacks are supposed to be finished up in this 1st season (ending with that of Hurley's with the promise of it being a real shocker) I don't know how that would tie in with them all being dead or dying but with the way these writers have been able to keep us guessing with all their twists 'n turns, who knows.

Now, last but not least, in order to be TRULY initiated into our "Lost" club, we just gotta know...are you a Sawyer or a Sayid fan? Inquiring minds wanna know. (Translation: in case you're a female, us other females haffta know who is our competition although we have sorta settled for a timeshare deal :D )

Again...welcome!

:thewave: :thewave:

[Brooks]

I'm a Jack fan!

I think they have done wonders with the plot lines. I have trouble believing they could keep the series going indefinitely. Seems like there would be a limited number of episodes to keep it interesting.

[SageTheRage]

I'm a Jack fan!

Goodie! One less female for me to contend with :D
Plus we can remain friends so its a 2-fer for me, Brooks :hug: I get the guy and a gal pal!

[Brooks]

Works for me, Sage! :tup: (Just don't tell Joe!)

[Avatar]

Well sage I guess you gals can keep your "timeshare deal" with Sawyer & Sayid

I'll have Kate :devil:

[SageTheRage]

Works for me, Sage! :tup: (Just don't tell Joe!)


Sure thing there, Brooks my girl! You are aware of the time-share plan that I've got worked out with Dark Rose, rb, and some of the others, doncha? Mary's got Locke all locked up but ya never know when another fan of his might surface. Damn lurkers!

So far you're the only one hankering for Jack so if all goes well, you'll have no troubles. But I've got your back in case some beeotch should try to move in on your turf.

When you're ready for Jack's arrival, we'll have to send POJ out on some elusive odyssey that'll take him days to come back from successfully. My suggestion would be to send him out to fetch you just the right pantyhose and feminine hygiene products (whatever you do, don't give him the box to look at from home)...with all the descriptions of the various types available and the loooooong rows of 'em aisle after aisle you'll be able to enjoy Jack for quite awhile. :ll:

See ya back here on this thread after the show if you're free.

[Brooks]

Thanks for the cover, Sage!

What feminine hygiene products?? :eek: I already have the stilettos. Are you saying I have to shave, too?

[SageTheRage]

What feminine hygiene products??

Any kind and the more complicated the better to keep Joe busy for as long as possible! Wings vs. non, etc.

As for the stilettos & shaving, well I suppose if the spikes don't harm him a few pricklies wouldn't either :D

[SageTheRage]

Well sage I guess you gals can keep your "timeshare deal" with Sawyer & Sayid

I'll have Kate :devil:

Alrighty, Avatar...its a date with Kate for you!
See! I'm liking you more already - whew! one less turf invader I gotta worry about. ;)

And yeah, Kate is a hottie that's the truth! I'm glad you're not interested in that whiney Shannon. I'd have to rethink my opinion of you if you did. Kate is sexy, smart, sharp, a doer and 10x the woman silly Shannon would ever be. Good choice Avatar!

Will you be able to make it back here after the show tonight? Looking forward to your input on what's what and who's who. Always nice to get some fresh ideas.

[rb.]

Kate is sexy, smart, sharp, a doer and 10x the woman silly Shannon would ever be

'Course she is! She's Canadian, ain't she? :yes: :canflag: :D

[Avatar]

Well I guess she is Canadian.
Must be something in the water up there?
Whatever it is they need to send some down this way.

{snip}
BIO
Evangeline Lilly's combination of irresistible charm and natural talent is earning her a reputation as one of the most promising young actresses in Hollywood.

Three years ago Lilly was discovered by a Ford agent on the streets of Kelowna, BC, but passed up an offer to sign with the agency. While acting had been a dream of hers since she was a teenager, she abandoned the notion for the more aesthetic dream of working in international relations. Six months later Lilly moved to Vancouver to attend the University of British Columbia and decided to sign with Ford to help pay for tuition. After appearing in a few commercials, she decided to give up acting and focus on studying. A couple of years later, a friend urged her to give acting another shot and, after a role in Kingdom Hospital, Lilly caught the acting bug.

Lilly founded and ran a world development and human rights committee at her university. She has lived under a grass hut in the jungles of the Philippines with a missionary group, and has been a volunteer for children’s projects since the age of 14.

Lilly is fluent in French and loves ice skating, canoeing, kayaking, snowboarding and rock climbing.
Her birthday is August 3
{/snip}

[Brooks]

I missed the first few minutes. Hope someone can tell me what happened before the opening credits.

[rb.]

Oh-ho-ho, good one!

First, what a witch Susan was. :mad: Seems that at every step Michael has done the right thing by Walt. I got the impression when Susan saw him in the hospital, and told him she was paying all his medical bills, and her Brian wanted to adopt, he was screwed. Either let them adopt, or pay his own med bills which probably meant never being able to afford to fly to see his son. Blackmail, subtle, but there.

Brian was obviously afraid of Walt. Showed when the bird hit the window, and when Brian went to see Michael to arrange the dumping of Walt.

Walt is making the polar bear appear, as he made the bird hit the window. Ok, so I don't know if he can make them do things, but both appearances of the polar bear were after Walt's viewing of the comic. When he was laying on the floor with his homework in Australia, he was staring at Vincent. The book of birds was open on the floor, then the bird hit the window. When Walt was with Locke and Boone (who seems to have grown a set, finally), and he was visualizing the knife hitting the tree right, Vincent made a weird sound, and turned his head slightly. Vincent did the same thing when he and Walt were walking in the jungle, right before Vincent took off and the polar bear appeared. And remember how Vincent wouldn't come near the people for a while after the crash? Is Vincent afraid of Walt? Vincent WAS Brian's dog, after all.

Also, when Michael grabbed Walt after Locke pulled him up, Walt had a grin on his face. Why? Because he finally has a father he can "feel" loves him? Or because he successfully manipulated his father through the use of the polar bear?

And Claire, where have you BEEN!?? And did anyone notice if Claire still had her big belly? I couldn't see or didn't notice.

[linttrap]

I got a feeling Claire isn't pregnant anymore... :eek:

And I agree that Walt is able to make some strange things happen, including the polar bears.

The only thing that doesn't fit with that is that Danielle said something to Sayid about polar bears when she had him in her lair.

And I also agree that Vincent doesn't seem to be as connected to Walt as Walt is to him.

Linttrap

[rb.]

Your right, Linttrap, I forgot about Danielle talking about the bears. Maybe he called it to him, like he did the bird. I wonder if he had anything to do with his mother dying? Naw. Don't think they're going there. This isn't Stephen King...it's better. :D

[Cabin Fever]

I doubt that Claire is still pregnant either.

Did you guys catch the previews??? Looks like a rerun of Sayid's encounter with Danielle. Whats that all about?

[rb.]

Yeah, Cabin Fever, I'm reading on other boards that we'll have two weeks of reruns now.... :mad: Doesn't make sense to run Solitary again, though. Why rerun it twice??

Damn that Claire! The RERUN QUEEN! :yes:

[rb.]

Whoa! Just realized something. Locke offered Michael a pencil, saying he thought he could use it. It was when he was raft building, and I thought he meant Michael could use it in that process. Never realized until now he meant for Michael to start drawing. Locke KNEW!

Oh, this show freaks me out. :confused: :yes:

[linttrap]

"I wonder if he had anything to do with his mother dying? Naw. Don't think they're going there."

I had the exact same thought...she suddenly gets sick with a rare blood disorder? That would be pretty evil and like you, I don't think they want to take Walt in that direction.

I wonder if he is even aware that he is responsible for these things happening, or if they are projections from his Id, unbidden, like in the movie Forbidden Planet.

Reruns the next two weeks? Oh NO!! Now if they rerun Sayid's encounter with Danielle I actually won't mind, since I do want to get that one on tape and listen carefully to what she said while she had him there. I just can't stand the suspense of not knowing what's going to happen next for two whole weeks.

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

The color red was prominent again as well. The red collar of Boone's shirt, the red feathers of the bird that hit the window, the red flowers by the hall table in Susan/Brian's house. And too, there was the lame joke using the word "red" that the nurse in the rehab told Michael about the sunburned penquin.)

Speaking of, did not the drawing that Michael did for his supposed 2 yr. old son - and especially for the kid's birthday - seem a bit macabe for the event as well as rather inappropriate for a 2 yr. old? To refresh your memories, it was a sketch of himself in a full body cast with a birthday cake w/ lit candles.
Also, the joke itself was rather advanced for telling to a 2 yr. old as well, don't you think?

* More on the candles in a later post*

I'm with you guys, I don't think Claire is still preggers. Her face looked quite thin too unless it was the shadows.

About Boone: Yep, baby boy is finally growing up. I wish he smacked Shannon one tonight but he's a better person than I for not having done so.

I agree that Brian was very afraid of Walt; notice he said Walt was different - that was the same word that Locke used to describe Walt to Michael; he said your son is different.

Side note to Avatar: WOW! Evangeline Lily sounds as wonderful IRL as she does on the show. Quite an impressive life she's led. Not just another pretty face as it sounds as if she's got a brain too! The persona we see of her on the show might be very much what she's like in the real world!

[linttrap]

Did you all notice how many times they called attention to how old Walt is? Over and over it was said he is 10 years old.

When Michael was in the hospital there was a poster up saying year 2000. Yet Walt was two in the year that Michael was in the hospital. Which would mean that this show is set in 2008!

There is a big discussion going on on the ABC fan board about this.

What do you all think? Any other clues out there about what year this is? We have already figured out that something critical happened 4 years ago to several of them that may have led them to cross paths. That would be the year this was filmed, 2004, if it really is 2008 on the show.

The Loopers on one board think they are stuck in a 4 year time loop and that Locke. somehow, is remembering things from the previous loop which is why he knows so much about each of them.

Linttrap

[rb.]

We have already figured out that something critical happened 4 years ago to several of them that may have led them to cross paths.

Really? This is something I've missed. Can ya fill me in, Linttrap?

[linttrap]

Here are some of the 4 year clues, but the trick is, some of them say year 2000, some just say 4 years ago. But if Walt is 10 and this is 2008, then 4 years ago was 2004! See how confusing the time loop thing can get!

Locke says he was paralyzed 4 years ago to the guy in the Walkabout office.

In episode 10 about Claire and her boyfriend there's a picture of the two of them with a poster in the background: "The Brisbane Bronco Glory Years"Last picture taken (Year 2000).

There's a screen capture of it here:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=66&pos=18

This one is a puzzler since we know Claire's pregnancy wasn't 4 years ago. Is the 2000 there just to hint at something they did in 2000 together that may have connected them to the others?

Charlie's band either broke up or signed a record contract 4 years ago...I've read differing opinions on what the event with the band was that was critical, but everyone agrees there was a clue it happened 4 years ago.

Sawyer told kate: "I've been waiting four years for my birthday wish" in one episode.

And the year 2000 shown in the poster in Michael's hospital room.

I don't know what to make of it...it is frying my brain to think about. I will go sleep on it. ;)

Linttrap

[rb.]

Thanks, Linttrap. Now that you mention those things, I remember most of them. Didn't notice the poster or picture, though. This show is hurting my brain. :lol:

[SageTheRage]

More headaches from crunching the "number" clues in this show:

1.) the 16 yr. loop of the french radio transmission (a 4 multiple)

2.) IIRC, the # of candles on Walt's b-day cake in the drawing Michael did while in the hospital looked to me to be about 8 candles (yet Walt was supposedly only 2 yrs. old...another 4 multiple)

All these "4" references and how they play back and forth into the years 2000, 2004, 2008 is mind boggling indeed!

Any new theories out there on to just how/why this is?

[SageTheRage]

Repeat but worth another look:

Did not the drawing that Michael did for his supposed 2 yr. old son - and especially for the kid's birthday - seem a bit macabe for the event as well as rather inappropriate for a 2 yr. old? To refresh your memories, it was a sketch of himself in a full body cast with a birthday cake w/ lit candles.

Also, the joke itself was rather advanced for telling to a 2 yr. old as well, don't you think? Yet the nurse told Michael that his son would love it when he teased her about it being dumb.

Interestingly, when Walt was reading the card in last night's episode when Michael presented him with the treasure trove box that miraculously survived the crash, note that Walt made the exact same comment as Michael did..."dumb". Remember Michael replied: "Yeah, that's exactly what I said too."

Thinking back to the fact that Walt is named after Michael's father, and this kid seems to have "powers" (although they are not fully realized yet let alone fully developed) I am wondering about some sort of supernatural connection with Michael's father.

On that note, this is at least the 5th (if not 6th) "father" importance stressed in the show so far this season.

We've got Jin & Sun with her Korean mafia father playing an imp. part in their lives; there's Jack's whole ordeal with his father; Kate with hers, Sawyer dealing with demons of his childhood and lack of father figure; Claire's baby had "daddy" issues from the get-go, and now this is surfacing with father/son relationship between Michael and Walt.

As I've been saying since almost the first episode aired, Locke might be the "Saving Grace/Christ-like Savior...FATHER" if you will, so there just might be something to this theory I've got brewing.

Your thoughts?

[rb.]

Sorry, found this "theory" this morning, and just couldn't resist posting it. (from another board, of course)

Plane Crash Revelation

It appears that right before the crash
Sawyer sees Jack on the plane and recognizes
him from somewhere.

When he finally remembers his name
he gets up and yells...


Hi Jack !!
Hi Jack !!

Thus ... throwing the pilots into a tizzy
that leads to the plane crash.
:lol:

[linttrap]

Hi jack!

That's funny. :P

Linttrap

[linttrap]

It's time!

Tonight is supposed to be a rerun of the Sayid captured by Danielle episode. I have to tape this one since I missed a lot of detail the first go-around.

Linttrap, Lostaholic

[Mary]

Sage, I like the "Father" theory. Something we can watch for :) The number 4 in Chinese sounds like Death so the Chinese stay away from this number (learned this doing my Feng Shui thing). It seems the Chinese put a lot of stock in homonyms (sp?).
Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[linttrap]

Wow. I had forgotten how totally insane Danielle seemed. Alone for 16 years...understandable.

Still, she needs to join the plane bunch real quick. :D

This is completely based on the presumption that she is real, not a figment of Sayid's imagination, that there is a possibility for her to do this, which we really don't know, yet, since we don't really understand the nature of the reality on this island, and blah blah quack quack other disclaimers apply.

She is unhinged in a big way. :yes:

Linttrap

[linttrap]

A friend copied the TV Guide article about LOST and I actually learned something interesting from it! :rolleyes:

This is a spoiler but I think you are all mature enough to handle it. :yes:



Stop reading now...don't look below...you're looking!








In the February 9 episode, the next new one, Ethan the Creepy reappears and demands the return of the still very pregnant Claire, who has amnesia for the whole period of time she was missing.

Hmmmmmmm.

Linttrap

[rb.]

Reading the article right now, linttrap. It can be found here, complete with yummy covers. :D

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/articles.shtml

[linttrap]

Another Lost re-run tonight...

This one is episode 10...Raised by Another. Claire's back story.

Read the episode description here:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/10.html

But next week.... :D


I found the following tidbit on the ABC fan forum today...Jack, gone? :eek:

*******

I know for a fact that these characters will NOT be the one killed on next weeks episode. The reason I know that is because on http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideServlet/showid-24313/Lost the episode list lists the main plot for each of the final episodes minus the finale, although it does say that one is Locke-centric. These characters are all mentioned in the episodes FOLLOWING next week, hence, they CANNOT be killed off next week.

Jin and Sun
Sawyer
Michael
Hurley
Charlie
Kate
Sayid
Boone
Locke
Shannon

We can also deduct Walt because Michael is still working on the raft to get his son off the island in the episode afterwards. SO... WHO DOES THAT LEAVE?

Jack & Claire

*************

Is it possible they will kill off Jack? Likely?

I dunno. Any ability I had to predict this show was illusory. I can't remember the last time I was right about something on it. Very humbling. :O

Linttrap

[Brooks]

I knew who would be the final two in Survivor fall 2003, and even the sequence they would be voted off. Why? Because someone with connections to the production crew told a few of us.

The next season (the All Stars series), there was an early list of the sequence, but slightly distorted to keep people guessing.

The consensus was that the producer, Mark Burnett, probably put out the slightly bogus All Stars list, to cut off what had happened the season before and have people thinking maybe they didn't really know the ending.

I would not stake my house that ABC hasn't fiddled with the descriptions of the upcoming series to throw people off as well.

[Cabin Fever]

On the previews for next week's show it show Ethan pushing Jack's head to the side (IMO, Ethan's super natural powers could easily snap Jack's neck.)

Who was carrying the body in the previews. Locke? Hurley? was there a 3rd?

[linttrap]

Locke was at the head, Boone in the middle and someone with longer hair at the back who couldn't be seen as clearly....might have been Sawyer. The hair was straight....not like Hurley's. The look on Kate's face sure makes it look like it might be Jack in there, but that could be deliberate.

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Was the re-run on tonight? I thought it was pre-empted by the State of the Union Address. Even after the reporter's run-down after the speech was over I saw no indication that 'Lost' was going to be aired. Did I miss it afterall? If I did, good thing it was a re-run or I'd be mighty upset with myself.

[rb.]

That last person carrying the body is (I'm SURE) Sayid. If you want to see the promo, go here, and click on the promo for Homecoming under 2/2. Looks wild!

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/

[linttrap]

Someone on another board also said it was Sayid so I guess his hair wasn't as straight as it looked to me as it was flipping around! :)

I haven't even got a good guess about who is being carried or whether they are even dead! I went to one of the fan boards, got deep into speculation about the whole thing with everyone dissecting clues and it ended up confusing me even more.

So I am just going to relax, re-center my fragmented energy, and wait for the new episode to wash over me next week. :rolleyes: :beer:

Linttrap

[Cabin Fever]

Linttrap said:
I haven't even got a good guess about who is being carried or whether they are even dead!


Looked like a dead body in a body bag to me. Anybody else have a take on it?

[linttrap]

I know I said I was going to sit back and wait but I have poor impulse control. :D

"Looked like a dead body in a body bag to me. Anybody else have a take on it?"

It's a body, no doubt about that, probably dead, based on the way they are handling it, and it's being carried in a blanket. There has been speculation that it is Vincent the Dog but it is clearly too long for a dog, and the weight of a dog would not require 3 people to carry it.

Bets on the Fan boards are on Ethan being dead, based on the presence of virtually all of the main characters in promo shots for upcoming episodes. Find those here:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&cat=6

I wouldn't put it past the creators to fool with us a bit on these promo shots, so I still don't feel sure it's Ethan, just feel it's likely.

Here are some other interesting theories being thrown around, none of which I am personally committed to, but they ARE thought provoking:

*Ethan is a younger version of Locke....this is an element of the Time Loop Theory which is too complicated to present here. Do you see a resemblance?

*Remember that Danielle told Sayid to watch for signs that people are infected? She searched Sayid's skin (when she found the bullet wound) and later said that she knew that he was not sick, suggesting that the disease shows up on the skin, somehow. Also recall the survivor who kept complaining to Jack about this rash he had developed that was getting worse.
So, is the 'hypochondriac's' rash the first sign that he has been infected with the disease that Danielle told Sayid about?

*The co-creator of the show hinted that Hurley recently won the lottery by saying that something happened to him that is the dream of everyone in America. There is a also a pic in the promo photos that shows him wearing a shirt and employee badge from a chicken fast food joint while holding a square of paper with a stunned look on his face. Here it is:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=28588&fullsize=1

Does that look like a lottery ticket to you?

Linttrap

[Delta Lady]

That last person carrying the body is (I'm SURE) Sayid. If you want to see the promo, go here, and click on the promo for Homecoming under 2/2. Looks wild!

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/

Yea, I'm going with Sayid too...It's the way his hair swings to the side.

[Cabin Fever]

I was thinking about next week's episode today. (yeah, I know, I need a life) :rolleyes:

I think its Ethan that dies, and Kate shoots him while he has his hands on Jack. Remember, those guns and amo that was in the briefcase with the toy plane.

Just an uneducated guess. :dancecool:

[rb.]

A link here for Matthew Fox's (Jack) appearance on Letterman. Funny interview regarding Fox's Wyoming childhood and his theory of the story on the island. Click on link under 2/5, at the following:

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/

And here's an interesting article about Naveen Andrews, Sayid.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/278390p-238508c.html

He's a Bolly good fellow

By NANCY MILLS
DAILY NEWS WRITER

Andrews in hit ABC series


HOLLYWOOD — On "Lost," the new ABC survivor drama, we know Naveen Andrews' Sayid as a rough-hewn former member of the Iraqi Republican Guard, an electronics expert who fought in the Gulf War. He has been trapped, kidnapped, chased and accused of being a terrorist and a hero.

Not a Bollywood song-and-dance man.

But in "Bride & Prejudice," a musical version of Jane Austen's classic novel opening Friday, Andrews plays Balraj Bingley, the good friend of Mr. Darcy, the story's romantic hero.

Instead of early 19th-century *England, the setting is modern India. And in place of a formal ball, the actors participate in what Andrews describes as "a strange amalgamation of traditional Indian dance crossed with MC Hammer."

Andrews has more in common with Bingley than Sayid. His parents moved to England in the mid-'60s, when "there was an open-door policy," he says. "All people in Britain's former colonies could come and work on the buses or clean *toilets."

He was born in London in 1969 and speaks with an English accent, but, he says, "only when I came to America did I think of myself as British.

"I was always in trouble from an early age. I had a fraught relationship with my parents, who were very traditional. Doing plays at school was a joyous release."

At 16, Andrews fell in love with his math teacher, moved in with her and had a son.

Although he got a scholarship to London's Guildhall School of Music and Drama — Ewan McGregor was a classmate — Andrews never expected to be successful. "There were no Indian actors from England of note earning money or having a career," he says.

A key role as the Sikh mine-hunter Kip in the 1996 Oscar-winning "The English Patient" kick-started his career. But his life really changed in 1998 when he fell in love with actress Barbara Hershey while filming "Drowning on Dry Land." He moved to Los Angeles to be with Hershey, 21 years his senior, and they are still together.

Because "Lost" has been filming in *Hawaii for the past five months, Andrews hasn't digested his newfound fame. But he is aware that Sayid's backstory — that he helped his childhood sweetheart escape from an Iraqi prison — has turned him into a sympathetic character.

"I've been very heartened by ordinary people's responses to Sayid," he says. "In Hollywood, Middle Eastern characters are usually insubstantial. What drew me to Sayid is his technical knowledge and his ability to build things. Plus, he's a soldier. He's romantic and heroic.

"Audiences really like and care about him. I think people in this country are trying to connect with the so-called enemy in a way this government won't allow them to."

In coming weeks, Sayid will be "hotting up" his relationship with Shannon (played by Maggie Grace).

"It's very interesting that the writers have decided to put someone who looks like Miss America together with someone who's Iraqi," Andrews says.

Over time, it's possible that the actors' special talents might become part of their characters.

[Series creator] "J.J. Abrams was asking me about my guitar playing," he says. "But it would be totally unbelievable if Sayid suddenly played the blues."

But, says series star Matthew Fox, "he's an amazing musician with incredible vocal subtlety.

"It's funny being around people when they meet him for the first time. They're absolutely stunned he has a British accent."

Andrews says he knows there are no guarantees he'll make it to the end of the season.

"Any of us could die," he says. "They've got this monster wandering around, which, by the way, I haven't seen. It's genius on the part of the producers to keep us all in line."

Originally published on February 6, 2005

[rb.]

Oh yeah, and Emilie DeRavin (sp?), Claire, is supposed to be on Jimmy Kimmel live tonight. I think that's late night on ABC?

[linttrap]

"I think its Ethan that dies, and Kate shoots him while he has his hands on Jack."

That makes sense to me. That would explain the pained expression she has as she sees them carrying the body. Otherwise, why would she look that distressed that Ethan died, given they were all trying to trap him?

Linttrap

[Cabin Fever]

rb...can you give us a synopsis of the interview with Jack? I'm on dial up and don't want to wait 2 hours for it to download. :(

[rb.]

Cabin Fever, in regards to his own theory, he thinks there is something contagious on the island that causes people to become "not human". He said, after questioned by Letterman, that the cast does get together and work on theories of what's going on. As for his personal info, he was a hoot describing growing up in Wyoming. Lots of talk of blowing things up for fun, he and his brothers, and his FATHER! :eek: :D

[rb.]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_2558572

It takes concentration and patience to follow ABC series


By Susan Young, STAFF WRITER
Inside Bay Area


IN ABOUT 24 hours, we're going to get a fresh dose of "Lost," the hot ABC sci-fi series about the strange adventures of plane crash survivors stranded on a mysterious island.

The previews for a new episode — after weeks of reruns — have been deliciously teased by ABC.



Whose body is being carried by three "Lost" regulars in the rolled-up blanket? Could it be Jack, who was in a gun tussle with Ethan?

Were the producers fulfilling their promise that one of the 14 main characters would get killed this season before the May finale?

TV watchers are being separated into two camps: Those who get "Lost" every week, and those who get lost just thinking about it.

"Lost" offers more twists and turns than a Sunday drive down Highway 1. So, to help out those watchers (or would-be watchers) who are seeking some guidance, here's a primer in time for the new episodes that start airing at 8 p.m. Wednesdays on ABC-Channel 7.

At least 46 people survived the horrific plane crash of Oceanic 815 that originated in Australia and ended on a tropical island. Each episode corresponds to one or two days on the island, so at the end of the season, they will have been stuck there for about a month.

Each survivor is linked in some way to the others, and at least three have killed people in their pre-island days.

This isn't "Survivor: Mystery Island," although the concept came from an ABC executive trying to cash in on CBS' hit reality series. The odd happenings on the island have some fans speculating that the survivors are not on an island at all, but are instead stuck in purgatory to atone for their earlier sins. Others think the people are part of a mad scientist's petri dish.

Odd things happen on this island. A marauding polar bear pops up occasionally. And some sort of "monster" lurks in the treetops.

There's also a mysterious man named Ethan Rom, who wasn't on the plane's roster and kidnaps pregnant castaway Claire. When last we saw an original episode three weeks ago, Claire just popped out of the bushes, mussed but unharmed. Is she still pregnant? That question alone has dominated Web site discussions about the series.

In a recent interview with "Lost" producers Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams, the trio said that Claire was still pregnant and promised "the monster" would be revealed before the end of this season. They did give us one clue: It isn't a dinosaur. We also got him to admit that this thing is bigger than a breadbox (much) and lives in the trees.

But other intrigues will remain.

"There is another mystery that will make the monster pale in comparison," Lindelof promises. "We walk a tightrope every day trying to reveal enough so that viewers don't feel like they are getting strung along, and not so much that they lose interest.

"It's like 'Jaws.' It was so much scarier when all you saw was the fin and the tail rather than the actual shark."

In fact, all the producers admit that when they read the message boards on the Web, they are shocked at how close viewers are to discovering the island's mysteries and where the characters are heading.

"Sometimes they are so spot on, we wonder if they have seen the scripts or know someone in the writers' room," Burk says. "Then they stray so far off the mark, we know it's just a coincidence."

We do know a few things, however. We know that actor Greg Grunberg was asked to come back for the season finale. He was the pilot we saw getting ripped out of the cockpit and brutally killed by something we think is the monster.

Or was he killed?

In the recent Boone-centric episode, Boone tells Locke he's going to tell Shannon about a metal hatch they found on the jungle floor. Locke beans him and ties him up. Boone wakes up hearing Shannon scream. Eventually, he discovers "the monster" has killed her. Psych! It was just a dream sequence. Or was it?

At least we know we've seen the shadow of "the monster."

"Actually, we showed the shadow of the so-called monster during the (aforementioned) Boone episode," Burk says. "We were going to reveal it then, but because of the success of the show, we will put it off for a while."

[rb.]

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1107929615199410.xml

While waiting to hand out answers, Lindelof has to concern himself with other matters, like maintaining the show's complicated narrative structure, where half of every episode is a flashback to the pre-crash life of one of the 14 regular characters. At this point, we've seen early glimpses of everyone except laid-back everyman Hurley (it's coming later in the season), but Lindelof says not to expect many more flashbacks featuring the younger characters.


"It's tough. We can do lots with Jack, because Matthew Fox can probably play anywhere from 22 to the age he is now, but we can't go back very far with Boone because Ian Somerhalder is going to look the age that he is, no matter how you try to disguise it."


In other future developments, "I can say that there will be other mystery things arising that will make the 'monster' pale in comparison to what you're going to want to find out. We're still trying to be firmly ensconced in the world of science fact. I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function in. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and being in a place where they probably shouldn't be, but nothing is flat out impossible. There are no spaceships, there isn't any time travel."


And after two episodes in a three-episode span featured major characters dying, only to miraculously return to life, Lindelof pledges not to cry wolf again.


"I promise you: The next time you see a dead body, that person's going to stay dead."

[rb.]

My guess for the body bag occupant: Jack's father. Casket was empty. Body in bodybag in previews. Just where did the bodybag come from? It was around Jack's father on the plane, of course. No other reason a bodybag should be on the island, not logical.

[Mary]

rb: Nothing on this show is logical :) But body-bags?? I don't think it's Ethan that dies. Most likely Boone. Don't know why I think that, just do.

btw: Less than 12 hours to go -- YES!

Mary (no garden, no lamb)

[linttrap]

rb, I slo-moed that part of the preview where they are carrying the body and I think its a blanket. I thought I could see it folded over the body and Locke and Boone in front seem to be carrying corners.

I guess we'll see in 10 minutes!!! :D

Linttrap

[y2kmisfit]

same red lamp shade...again

[Mary]

rb: you were right. Is he really, really dead? Did they bury the body? I don't trust this, not one bit. :no:

Does anyone know who he killed? Scott??? I don't remember him....

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[Mary]

same red lamp shade...again

Where?? I didn't see it. Nutz! I'm the self-appointed RED finder--yeah, right. Good job (mumble, mumble, mumble) :mad: Did anyone see the name of the song on the Juke Box that Charlie played?

Mary (no garden, no lamb) still in LOVE with Locke :D

[rb.]

DOH! (we need a "smack me upside the head" smilie.)

I guess I get the big raspberry tonight. :D Not only was it not Jack's father, it wasn't even a body bag! You guys are way better at this than me.

Two deaths in one show. Hmm...probably no more for the rest of the season. I loved Sawyer's "jungle boy" line to Ethan. :lol: I, too, missed the red lampshade. It was nice to see Charlie with some balls, as well. Next week looks good.

[y2kmisfit]

Where?? I didn't see it. Nutz! I'm the self-appointed RED finder--yeah, right. Good job (mumble, mumble, mumble) :mad: Did anyone see the name of the song on the Juke Box that Charlie played?

Mary (no garden, no lamb) still in LOVE with Locke :D

It was in the dining room when Charlie was eating with the girl and her Dad. Looked like there was two of them.
It was the same lamp shade that was in the psychics house, with Locke in Claires dream in the Jungle and possibly in Jacks Dads office in the hospital (when he was trying to get him to sign the report of the girls death). That one actually looked more orange, but pretty close.

[linttrap]

He did kill Scott. ScottandSteve were bit players who were always mentioned together and Scott turned out to be expendable. But I do wonder if the information Hurley said about him being a software developer from Santa Clara might not turn out to be relevant later.

Charlie played the Driveshaft hit "You All Everybody" on the Jukebox.

Tonight was the third inclusion of the number 815 in an episode. It was the flight number of their plane, the lockbox number in Kate's outlaw backstory, and tonight, the model number of the copier Charlie was selling: Heatherton C815. He said it when reciting his sales pitch to the gf in his backstory.

I really think all the red might be a clue but don't know how yet. Is anybody keeping track of what the red items are in each episode? Maybe that will reveal something.

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Did anyone see the name of the song on the Juke Box that Charlie played?

the song on the jukebox was his own hit, "You All are Everybody", from his band, DriveShaft.

(sorry for the dup post, linttrap; obviously our posts crossed)

[SageTheRage]

The red items that I remember throughout all the episodes thus far are: (but not in order of appearance)

lampshade, Claire'snecklace, knife handle (locke gave to Sayid), axe, collar trim on Boone's shirt, dog collar (leash ?), feathers on bird, blood when bird crashed, flowers, heart/diamonds (deck of card motif on Boone's outer shirt), sticker on plane in Kate's case, beret worn by Sayid & other Iraqi Republican Guards.

There's probably others that I've forgotten about.

Man, I wish Charlie hadn't killed Ethan - now they can't get any info

[Cabin Fever]

Ok, Ethan's dead. Now will Claire remember what happened and where she was to shed some light on the mystery of Ethan. Or will Sayid go see Danielle to find out more. UMMMM?

[occupant]

One more RED item I noticed awhile back was, baby Walt's shirt . It was while he was in the walker, when his mom told Michael she was moving away.Anyone with a video copy to confirm this?

[y2kmisfit]

My mistake, the lamp shades weren't in the dining room, they were in the living room. There was also 3 lamp shades like them in the 2 bar scenes with Charlie and his Drug supplier, where he met the girl.
Also it looks like Claire is no longer wearing her necklass with the weird figure on it. Is it really Claire or a clone?

[SageTheRage]

Also, I believe the "flag" on the golf course was red material

What if anyone who doesn't sport red at one time or another in one way or another is a clue???

[linttrap]

If anybody wants to check a detail on something from a past episode, I have found it is easier to go look at the Screen Captures on this site:
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&cat=7
than it is to scan back through the taped episodes.

I have most of them on tape but since I found all the screen captures online I rarely pull out the tapes to look at.

For example, Walt as a toddler was wearing orange in this picture:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=172&pos=159

Is this the scene you were thinking of, Occupant?

If somebody wanted to get real O-C about the red things, you could sit there and go through all the screen captures. :D I'd lay in a few bottles of beer to help you out, though.

Linttrap

[rb.]

:ll: :rofl:

Jimmy Kimmel did a "behind the scenes" of Lost in Hawaii. I watched it last night, but it's online here. Very funny parts. Especially his attempted barter with Sawyer (hot, hot, HOT!). :lol: Also, he and Charlie do a theme song that sounds like Neil Young, he chats with Hurley, and he takes a funny walk with Kate. Too, too funny.

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/

2/10
Clip from Kimmel is here.

[Mary]

The hallway outside Michael's apartment when the step father came with the news was red also. Obviously the Juke box title had a red bar through it. Excellent catch on the 815 being the number of the copier -- bravo! (DH and I talk way too much during this show--but we tape it too, so I'll be watching again Saturday :rolleyes: )

I'm glad Charlie shot Ethan. There was no way Ethan was going to talk. Plus he could have escaped and then what? More dead people. No. Charlie did the right thing, imo. Plus he's in love. My DH would definately have shot him for me :yes: Bet most of you guys would have shot him too, if he kidnaped the person you loved.

(Did you see those fingernail scratches on Ethan's face? Major clue as to how Claire got away). I don't think Claire is a clone though. She's starting to remember things. I think she was just shutting down her mind while she was with Ethan. (I would.)

Sage <b>What if anyone who doesn't sport red at one time or another in one way or another is a clue???</b> Good Point!!

I thought this was an excellent episode. Just makes me want more! :D

Mary (no garden, no lamb)

[SageTheRage]

As for Charley shooting Ethan...

Yes, I can understand his motive but this is survival mode and they can't be letting emotion get the better of them (yeah, I know easier said than done) If put to the fire, Ethan MIGHT have given up SOME (even if only minor) info that they could have used. Killing him would have only helped serve them better if/when he became a SEVERE liability - such as CRITICAL shortage of food/water supply - and/or much too hard to contain/control. Had I been in command, I would have insisted we keep him alive for as long as possible even if only for a bargaining chip (which of course, I would have reneged on at the last possible moment when 'his' people came to fetch him. Perhaps they could have used him as a decoy as Claire was used? I dunno...maybe! However, I wasn't in command and apparently no one else was either. I think Locke is going to have to take control of the tactical moves because there are too many loose cannons right now.

This far into being stranded on the island (one month now) the group needs some serious re-grouping and the leaders need to lead more and get everyone on the same page so to speak. Earnestly seek out each person's strengths/weaknesses and put them to good use. They're still 'individual-minded' and not pulling together enough. Most everyone still wants to do it 'their way'; like it or not, they're going to have to start making clear cut choices.

Things are going to have to change soon if they are going to survive IMHO.

[occupant]

oops, me bad. Sorry Linttrap, I recall discussing the red topic, with hubby at the time, and we both thought baby Walts' shirt was red. Oh, well. Some great food for thought here. I for one am glad Ethan was shot. That guy really creeped me out ! He didn't seem to have the "powers" we once thought he did, either. If he was all that powerful, he should have caught Claire(baited) easily.Glad Charlie was the shooter, too. Charlie had some paybacks for him, as Ethan had ol' Charlie boy by the neck twice ! I AM wondering if Ethan is really dead, though. Gawsh, I hope so.

[Mary]

Sage, I agree on most of your points with one exception. Ethan should be dead. There was no way he'd give up info. Think of him like a Sayid except to the NTH. But you are right. They've been there a month. Time to put things in order.

occupant: I wonder if he's really dead too. Bury him deep, deep under the ocean might be a good idea. DH says seperate the head from the body and bury them in two different places (I love how men think! So calculalting! brrr)

Mary (no garden, no lamb)

[Arubi]

Friday, February 11, 2005
William Mapother Raises More Questions About Ethan
From USAToday

On Wednesday's Lost, actor William Mapother lost his job when his evil-to-the-bone character, Ethan Rom, was shot dead by Charlie (Dominic Monaghan). "I told (Dominic), 'You couldn't have asked questions first and shot later?' " Mapother says.

Good point. It had been the intention of Lost's other plane-crash survivors to keep Ethan alive long enough to find out who he really was, how he got on the island (his name wasn't on the passenger manifest) and why he kidnapped the pregnant Claire.

Mapother, 39, is nearly as much in the dark as viewers are. But he has his own theories about who this super-strong man was - beginning with the character's cryptic name, Ethan Rom. Someone on the show pointed out to Mapother that the name is actually an anagram for "other man." And through his own research, Mapother says he discovered that the name Ethan means "gift of the island"

So despite the character's wicked ways, Mapother suspects that Ethan might have been a sheep in wolf's clothing, out to protect Claire from the others.

Mapother's portrayal of the jungle-dwelling Ethan harks back to his days playing in the Kentucky woods with his older first cousin, Thomas Cruise Mapother IV; Mapother's dad and Tom Cruise (news)'s dad were brothers. He recalls one night they were walking back from a lake where their grandfather docked his boat, and Tom, then 12, told Mapother, 9, a ghost story. "Tom scared the hell out of me," Mapother says.

http://www.lost-tv.com/

[Arubi]

Lost Looks Ahead

J.J. Abrams, who co-created ABC's hit SF series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that he's already coming up with ideas for a second season. "We obviously know what we're doing for the rest of this year," Abrams said in an interview at ABC's winter press preview in Universal City, Calif. "We definitely have big ideas about what we want to do down the line, past just the second season, and a lot of ideas for the second season already."

But Abrams remained coy about his plans, though he promised to reveal some of the secrets about the island where 48 survivors of a plane crash—including Jack (Matthew Fox) and Kate (Evangeline Lilly)—have found themselves stranded. "There isn't one answer to everything," Abrams said. "It's, like, this island has an amazing history that we've talked about, and things will change as we go, it always does. ... [But] you don't have the time or the energy to figure out everything in the first season of a show that, ... if you're lucky, [you] get five, six, seven, eight years [to do]. But we have a few really big ideas that we hope we're on long enough to tell."

Abrams added: "The thing about Lost is that the show is not just about ... the mysteries of the island. This island has a lot of complex sort of mythology and stuff that we've discussed, and will over time be revealed. ... In order to do the story right, you need time. ... Each of these characters has a handful or ... more of important stories that you want to see told over time as well."

Abrams offered one hint for attentive viewers. "I don't know if you can see this yet, [but every flashback] makes reference to something else," he said. "So you'll get a beginning, middle and end of that flashback story, but you'll wonder, 'Wait, what the hell was he there for? That's weird.' And that will help prompt the next flashback. At the end of the day, what I think is cool about it is you'll be able to take the Sawyer [Josh Holloway] flashbacks, all of them, and you could cut them together so you see them as an entire sort of movie of this person's life. See where they started, see what happened to them over time, and make a sort of linear thing. And yet, we're seeing them every eight, 10 episodes, you'll see that person's story. ... If we get to do the story that we anticipate doing, there's a big thing and a big payoff. Whether we get to that at the very end or we get to that earlier, and it becomes the start of the next chapter, is part of the evolution of telling the story." Lost airs Wednesdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=30307

[Arubi]

They've created a monster
The mysteries on 'Lost' will be solved -- eventually

Wednesday, February 09, 2005
Lost

Tonight at 8 on Channel 7) The castaways are stunned by the return of Claire and prepare to defend themselves against her kidnappers.

DAMON LINDELOF understands your suspicion. Really, he does.

Lindelof is the co-creator of "Lost," ABC's intricately plotted hit thriller about plane crash survivors stranded on a tropical island where nothing is quite as it seems. But he's also a fan of shows like the one he writes, and he's been burned enough times in the past to sympathize with "Lost" viewers who are starting to wonder if he and J.J. Abrams know where the story is going, or if they're just piling mystery on top of mystery to hide the fact that they're making it up as they go along.

"As a member of the community who loved 'The X-Files' for all those years and felt bummed out by the end of it, all I can say is, we're cognitive of trying not to go down the same path," says Lindelof.

"The X-Files." It always comes back to "The X-Files," whose success at blending thriller elements with sci-fi staples and a complex "mythology" made shows like "Lost" possible, and whose ultimate creative failure made viewers hesitant to buy into those later shows.

"X-Files" creator Chris Carter and his writers used to swear up and down that they had the entire series mapped out, that they knew the answer to every question raised and would reveal it in due course, that the fate of Mulder's sister, the goals of the Cigarette Smoking Man's conspiracy, the origin of the black oil, etc., would all make perfect sense and be satisfying to the fans who had speculated about them for years. And when it became blindingly obvious that answers were either not coming or didn't track with what had happened before, the official story changed. It was the fault of the show's huge success, they started to say; if "X-Files" had only run five years with no movie or later seasons, everything would have wrapped up neatly, but the need to keep going ruined the master plan.

"Lost," with its monsters, miracles and mysteries, represents the best of "X-Files," but halfway through season one, some viewers are starting to worry that it may represent the worst of "X-Files," too.

What is the monster? Where is this island? How did anyone, let alone several dozen people, survive a crash that should have pulverized everyone on board? How can wheelchair-user John Locke suddenly walk? Does Walt have psychic powers? How many people were already on the island before the crash? Is Claire's baby really destined to be evil? Why would Kate orchestrate a violent bank robbery to recover a model airplane? Was Jack's father really in the coffin?

And that's a very partial list of mysteries the show hasn't gotten around to answering yet.

"Every mystery that we present on the show -- what is the monster, where does Ethan come from, why hasn't Claire had her baby yet -- all of those are questions that we know the answers to," asserts Lindelof. "But how and when we present the answers isn't set in stone."

The "how and when" is the million dollar question. Lindelof is aware of the very thin tightrope he and Abrams walk with this show. One of the biggest mysteries from the pilot episode was the source of the 16-year-old French distress signal that some of the castaways picked up on a dying transmitter. The writers hadn't planned to answer that until late this season, but then decided they needed to throw the audience a big bone early on so people would believe more answers would be coming in time.

And in typical "Lost" fashion, the solution only raised more questions -- Exactly what happened to the French woman's colleagues? How does she still have power to send the signal? -- that Lindelof insists will also be answered at an unspecified date.

"Now they know the source of the 16-year-old transmission, and the audience goes, 'I'm not satisfied.' Well, if you're satisfied, you'll stop watching. We have to walk that line. It's not easy, and hopefully we won't betray the audience."

Carter's five-season plan for "X-Files" sounded nice in theory, but Lindelof knows it can't work in an open-ended industry like network television.

"Basically, a television show is, you're starting a race where no one tells you where the finish line is," he says. "If someone told me, 'You're going to run 6 miles,' I would run a lot faster than I would run if you told me I was going to run 26 miles. We don't know how long we're going to be on the air for. It's a business ... We can't hide behind the commerce of it, but at the same time, I can't say to (ABC president) Steve MacPherson, 'I'm only doing five years of the show,' because he'll say, 'Great! We'll bring in new guys after you leave and they'll continue to do the show.'"

With no way of knowing how many seasons to plan for, the "Lost" writers have to carefully dole out information without providing so much closure that the audience up and leaves.

"When the audience demands answers, we'll give them to them," he insists. "But I will say, as a viewer, sometimes people say they want something but they don't really want it. 'Moonlighting' ended when David and Maddy got together, and I was right there saying, 'I want it! Get it over with!,' or (with 'X-Files'), 'I want Scully to stop being skeptical! She's seen enough weird stuff to not be skeptical!' But once she started believing like Mulder did, the show wasn't the show anymore."

But no matter how well they pace things, Lindelof also worries that the final answers will disappoint.

"Inevitably, of course you'll be let down. How can I or J.J. or anyone else possibly be better than your imagination? You don't know what your imagination is, but you have very lofty expectations. If I show you what the monster is at the end of season one, nobody in America is going to be like, 'That is so much better than what I thought it was going to be.' In fact, 100 percent of the people who see it are going to say, 'Wow, that is not as cool as I thought it was going to be.' So what did you think it was going to be? 'I don't know, but I was imagining it would be much cooler.' We think it's pretty cool, but we know people are going to be bummed out."

While waiting to hand out answers, Lindelof has to concern himself with other matters, like maintaining the show's complicated narrative structure, where half of every episode is a flashback to the pre-crash life of one of the 14 regular characters. At this point, we've seen early glimpses of everyone except laid-back everyman Hurley (it's coming later in the season), but Lindelof says not to expect many more flashbacks featuring the younger characters.

"It's tough. We can do lots with Jack, because Matthew Fox can probably play anywhere from 22 to the age he is now, but we can't go back very far with Boone because Ian Somerhalder is going to look the age that he is, no matter how you try to disguise it."

In other future developments, "I can say that there will be other mystery things arising that will make the 'monster' pale in comparison to what you're going to want to find out. We're still trying to be firmly ensconced in the world of science fact. I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function in. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and being in a place where they probably shouldn't be, but nothing is flat out impossible. There are no spaceships, there isn't any time travel."

And after two episodes in a three-episode span featured major characters dying, only to miraculously return to life, Lindelof pledges not to cry wolf again.

"I promise you: The next time you see a dead body, that person's going to stay dead."

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1107929615199410.xml

[SageTheRage]

WOW!, thx Arubi :bigtup: this info was great!!! All this proves just how deep this show really is and why us fans are so darn hooked.

[linttrap]

Good stuff Arubi! And everyone!! Love this show! :)

For anyone who would like to really examine the details in the comic book pages Walt was looking at in earlier episodes, here is a site that has pictures of several of them, in English, not Spanish!

http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/193624.html#cutid1

Evidently, it is a real comic book, Spanish language version.

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Well, wasn't the "I Never' game that Kate and Sawyer played interesting? And what's with the boar having it in for Sawyer and just Sawyer? Since everything is symbolic, might this be a case of his own demons (from his past) chasing him?

The show ending on a harmonious note between everyone and all pulling together as one was indicative that the tide may be turning for the survivors...unless it's the calm before the storm..which of course we can pretty much count on being the case! (especially judging by next week's previews of 'others')

And for Mary: tonight's 'red' was the mention 2x of the Boston Red Sox.

[SageTheRage]

Ok, I know why Mary's not here since it's her birthday and all but where are the rest of you??? :crier:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY AGAIN MARY! ... hey, maybe you'll get a garden and/or a lamb for a gift? :rofl:

[Cabin Fever]

Good show!! I thought the story about the guy that Sawyer killed, was pretty wild. Talk about being screwed over by someone.

The show next week looks awesome! How many other people are on the island???

[linttrap]

I actually thought Sawyer might turn into a "good guy" and give Jack the message from his Dad when he realized that Jack was his son. I still think he might do it later on.

Now I wonder if someone on the plane is going to turn out to be Sawyer's lifetime enemy later on. Could it be Locke, even?

Meow moment: Did ya'll notice what a skinny little butt Claire had as she and Charlie walked away to go on their walk? I have never seen a pregnant woman with a belly the size of hers and a butt that small....come on, now. :rolleyes:

Good show!

Linttrap

[Brooks]

About those Red Sox references...

Thought I read here or another discussion forum that there is a question about when the show takes place. The time references become important, apparently, during some of the flashbacks. I thought I read the crash was five years from now or maybe in 2008, something like that. I can't imagine they couldn't have corrected the reference unless the intent is the crash took place before late 2004.

[SageTheRage]

On the subject of boars:

Remember when Sawyer had 'captured' the baby boar and held it out in all its squealing glory to entice the big boar that was after him so he could shoot it?....If you think back on it, he kept telling Kate that the DADDY/FATHER boar is out there and the squeals of the baby would draw it near. Note, he didn't say MOMMA/MOTHER boar as most of us would ... a mother coming to resuce its baby. This ties in with the "father" theme I've been speculating on since the Lost series began. Keep in mind too, that Sawyer's further flashbacks in this episode was ONCE AGAIN associated with "daddies"

Another interesting tidbit was when Locke caming through the bush into the 'camp' that Kate & Sawyer had been in when they discovered that the boar had destroyed all of Sawyer's items but didn't touch one single thing of Kate's. Did you see that Locke was eating an orange and he did that orange peel smile thing to Kate just like he did in an episode way back. This MUST be some sort of symbol. The fact that both 'orangey smiles' were a "Locke to Kate" moment is curious indeed.

As for your comment about the timeline, Brooks, in regards to the Red Sox and the writers having had time to correct that misinfo in the dialog since the Sox HAD won the World Series....I am thinking they left it in PURPOSELY. I think it might be another hint to us as viewers that those on the island may indeed not be alive and this show is all about their last thoughts before death??? :confused:

Overall, the various timelines portrayed in the show via posters on walls as seen in flashbacks, crucial events in history/personal lives as worked into the survivors dialog exchanges amongst one another has depicted 2000 and 2004 with insinuations of a 4 yr. time period so I'm unsure if the 4 yrs. the writers are throwing out there is that 4 yr. period 'tween 2K & 2K4 or 4 ADDITIONAL yrs. bringing us up to 2008.

[y2kmisfit]

I think the boar was supposed to be the guy Sawyer killed, just like the dog in Lockes' story was to have been his dead sister.
Sawyer was set-up to kill the guy, because the guy owed money to the man that fingered him to Sawyer. He was not the guy Sawyer has been searching for most of his life.

Claire is still not wearing the necklass.

[linttrap]

"Did you see that Locke was eating an orange and he did that orange peel smile thing to Kate just like he did in an episode way back. This MUST be some sort of symbol. The fact that both 'orangey smiles' were a "Locke to Kate" moment is curious indeed."

Wow! Good catch, Sage. I hadn't made that orange peel/ Locke-to-Kate-look connection at all! I keep getting distracted by the fact that he seems to be the only one eating oranges...where is he getting them? Is there an orange tree around there somewhere that I missed? Are oranges connected to Kate somehow that we don't know yet?

And Y2K--glad you are watching for the necklace...I keep forgetting about it until you mention it.

As to the timeline...the only seemingly hard reference to time, so far, is that a poster in Michael's room referred to a date in the year 2000 when Walt was 2 years old. Since he is 10 now that would make it 2008. That's IF that poster was current, rather than an old poster still hanging. That could have been done to confuse us, deliberately, about the time frame.

Linttrap

[linttrap]

A couple of odd ideas I've picked up on fan boards this week:

People claiming that they could clearly see Ethan breathing while he was lying on the ground before being buried. Did anybody notice this?

Some people said they could understand the whispering Sawyer heard in the forest and it said what the Sweet Shrimp guy in his backstory said to him right before he died:

It'll come back around.

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

Tonight's show was a whole lotta sumpthin' and a whole lotta nothin'; not much about life on the island but a great deal about life and it's complexities. I thoroughly enjoyed the different path tonight's show took!

From Boone's warning to Sayid to Locke's advice to Shannon, to the revelation of Jin's inner-strength even at his own peril andloss of his wife. The signifigance of her shedding the blanket and standing in the ocean alone was ever so symbolic of renewed freedom/new beginning.

However, I do believe Sun rejected her offer to start over out of sheer compassion for her and not out of anger. I believe he really does love her but wants to shield her from discovering the truth about her father.

Walt's discussion with Locke about his destruction of the raft was an insight, IMO, to what is yet to come.

I haven't figured out the meaning of Hurley's batteries dying in the cd player but it surely means something (possibly sinister or of a finality); especially given the coming attractions of next week's show.

[Cabin Fever]

When Sun first went to the guys apartment and his daughter was on the couch watching tv, did you notice Hurley on tv getting into a car??

[y2kmisfit]

Did you notice the scene with Hurley sitting on the beach at the end? In the background Claire was sitting on the beach too. The both looked pregnant, only Hurley more so. :D

[y2kmisfit]

Linttrap and Cabin Fever

I'll have to go back and look at those. Thanks!

[y2kmisfit]

When Sun first went to the guys apartment and his daughter was on the couch watching tv, did you notice Hurley on tv getting into a car??

Great catch! and in the same scene a little later when the man takes the dog from his daughter it shows the tv again and the car is driving off and Hurley puts his hand up to block the camera shot. Like a news item where he didn't want to be photographed. Maybe he's a celeb (sumo wrestler?) or a crook.