[DarkRose]

Just thought I'd get this thread ready for tomorrow's episode. I missed last weeks and forgot to set the VCR, so I'm a little behind.

[SageTheRage]

Sorry, bad news there DarkRose. "Lost" won't be on due to a 3hr. finale of "Bachelors". I too am a big fan of the latest sci-fi mystery show and am heavily involved in another forum discussing it. I'm hopelessly hooked!

I only wish I had a way to tape the episodes so I can share them after the season is over with a dear friend of mine who hasn't watched any of it. At this point, my friend has agreed to not begin midstream as it would be spoiled by not knowing all the intricate ins/outs of what's transpired already but opts to wait til we get together and start watching from the beginning. You know how it is with all the deeply hidden "clues". However, due to a non-functioning VCR, I've not been able to tape any of the episodes.

I imagine though, that after the season concludes, a collector's set will be available. I'll be sure to ask for it as a gift and then enjoy the show all over again through the eyes of my friend. I'm looking forward to it.

The theories I've got swirling around in my head regarding this show are staggering. Dang but its a great puzzle that I'm enjoying putting together each week. Some of which are clues that stemmed from the very first episode that are just now coming to light.

One piece that is alluding me though (and I know it must be a clue) is the name of the tune playing on the music box that Sayid (dreamboat that he is!!!!) fixed for Danielle. The scriptwriters and cameramen made a big deal of it and spent a lot of time showing it so I know it had to mean something but I can't recall the tune. Can you?

[DarkRose]

:freakout:
AUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Okay, having gotten that out of the way:

That's the episode I missed and the one time they DIDN"T replay it on Saturday. But if I catch it or hear of it from someone else, I'll let you know. I'm gonna have to play catch up as well, because I was just watching it without paying attention to all the clues.

Also, new forum, new digs; I got dibbies on Sayid! BWHAHAHAHAHA ! :jedi:
I'll fight ya for him!

[Delta Lady]

Are they having a rerun Saturday?

[SageTheRage]

Oh no! You're a Sayid girl too? Geez, I've got my work cut out for me then!!!! Over on the other thread, there are those that salivate over him too ....BUT... they also have the hots for Sawyer so I improvished a "timeshare" situation in which we'd each get our week with the hunky guys. Wait, it gets better 'cos the one gal wasn't quick enough to put in her bid and the other gal opted for Sawyer first. Fine by me 'cos that means I get Sayid first and there was no way in hell that I was gonna let him go after my week was up! See how nicely that all worked out? :juggle:

Yeah, well til I came over here with you, DarkRose :( :D

Ok, ok, since you were the thread starter, I rightfully bow to you and let you have first dibs (and prolly keepsies) of my beloved :love: Sayid ... guess I'l just haffta "suffer" & "settle" for Sawyer! :oops:

As long as I can get him to keep that scruffy, sexy look we'll do fine. Then again, that super slicked back hair in that oh so nicely fitting business suit he wore in his flashback sequence wasn't too hard on the eyes :kinky:

But if you should find yourself tiring of Sayid, you know where to find me :wave:

[DarkRose]

Weeellllll..... if Sawyer should show any redeeming qualities later, I might trade you back and forth. However, to show I'm not competely selfish, I'll loan you Sayid on your Birthdays and whatever Winter Holiday, you choose to celebrate! :toast: As for trying to keep him past that.....Wouldn't try it! :jedi: :D

[shyLurker]

Did anyone figure out the melody from the music box?

Loretta V.

[SageTheRage]

Not yet on the music box melody, shyLurker. I know it definitely means something...yet another "clue". I've asked about it on another board that I am heavily involved in concerning "Lost" but none of them have been able to identify the tune either.

All I know is that I'm having withdrawals tonight :( So am hoping to find solace in a bunch of junk food (which will include lots of chocolate) to mollify myself and go ponder all the "theories" airing on the other site and hope it tides me over the worst of the jitters :brokenup:

[SageTheRage]

Rumor has it that Sayid develops a romantic interest in an upcoming episode. At first I was thinking that it was confusion on the part of some with Sayid's flashback about Nadia but supposedly such is not the case. Its is believed to be with Danielle and some specualtion on perhaps it being that dippy Shannon....gawd I hope not!

I dunno, I just don't see it with Shannon at all and as far as Danielle, I'm not so convinced on that score either. I'm wondering if it is a case of confusion in being "behind" and the rumored talk is actually a reflection on Sayid's flashback.

Any of you heard this "rumor"?

[Arubi]

Next Episode:
Wednesday, December 1, 8/7c
"Raised by Another"
Jack, Kate and Charlie wonder if Claire's disturbing nightmares might be coming true to threaten her life and the life of her unborn child, and a missing castaway returns with frightening news about what lies just beyond the mountains.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

[Arubi]

:(

November 28, 2004

Upcoming December Repeats

After two new episodes on December 1st and 8th, Lost will go into reruns until January 5. ABC will air the first 6 episodes on December 15, 22 and 29 in the regular 8 p.m. slot and also 9 p.m.

Pilot (1) & Pilot (2) from 8 to 10 p.m. on the 15th

Tabula Rasa & Walkabout on the 22nd from 8 to 10p.m. on the 22nd

White Rabbit & House of the Rising Sun on the 29th from 8 to 10p.m.
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-24313/

[Arubi]

Here on the Hawaii set of ABC's hit drama Lost — that twisty mystery series about plane crash survivors fending for themselves on a South Pacific island inhabited by polar bears, a sadistic Frenchwoman, and unseen monsters — the cameras roll as Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Jack (Matthew Fox) stare at a mound of dirt marked with a wooden cross.

''Why didn't you just put him with the others when you burned the fuselage?'' asks Kate.

''Because I needed to bury him,'' explains Dr. Jack solemnly.

The two pull out some makeshift shovels and begin exhuming the dead guy, a U.S. marshal who was bringing fugitive Kate to justice before disaster struck. See, this marshal carried a wallet. And that wallet contained a key. And that key opens an impenetrable briefcase. And the contents of that case are important enough for them to endure this hellish process, which involves gagging, maggots, and a startling betrayal that the island gods want to keep hush-hush for now.

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,831087_3_0_,00.html
:eek:

[SageTheRage]

Thx for the rerun info, Arubi. Perhaps I will now be able to tape all the prior shows and then tape each new episode beginning this week. I am extremely grateful for your update!!!!!

[Arubi]

Here is a link for a very detailed rundown of each episode.:)

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/9.html

[SageTheRage]

The scheduled re-runs would cover episodes 1-6 but what about # 7, 8 & 9?

#7 is: "The Moth" (Charlie's flashback & the stay on beach vs. go to cave area decision amongst the islanders)

#8 is: "Confidence Man" (Sawyer's flashback & the discovery by Kate of the book, Watership Down}

#9 is: "Solitary" (Sayid's flashback & his run-in with Danielle)

I haven't seen any schedule for when those will be re-aired.

I am finally (hopefully) going to be able to tape 1-6 and all future episodes beginning with #10 tomorrow, "Raised by Another" but will be sorely lacking #7-9. I've been given links to join a club and download them but even were I to spend the money to join, I am on dialup so it wouldn't work too well at all.

If anyone has extra copies of 7, 8, 9, I'd be MORE than happy to reimburse you for the cost of the tape, mailing and your time. We can exchange mailing addys via PM.

[rb.]

Well, only 44 more hours to go to the next ep.

Oh, and Sage...after the clip I saw of Sawyer and Sayid in this next episode, there ain't NO WAY I'm giving up Sawyer yet. :P

[SageTheRage]

Well dang it, girl!!!!! :buttkick:

[rb.]

Well, ok. But can ya' hang on another week? He gets quite "manly" in this clip. :D

[rb.]

IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!!!! :cheers: :rocking: :freakout: :rofl:

[rb.]

I found a pic of Claire's necklace. Does anyone know what it is or means?

[Mary]

Okay, so this is where you all went. You guys can fight over Sayid and Sawyer. I'll take Locke any day!!!

I still think the necklace is a chinese symbol for Chaos. And, like Sage, I need to know what that song is. (Bet it has something to do with the color red, just a hunch)

Nice to see you all :D

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :rolleyes:

[rb.]

MARY!! :wave: Glad you're here.

I'm off to see if I can resume ownership of some of my Lost posts elsewhere. Wish me luck.

[rb.]

AACK!

Your membership has been terminated.
;)

Guess I'm back to square one on the posts.

[SageTheRage]

Mary is here????? MY Mary???? The one with no garden nor lamb? *THAT* Mary??? YIPPIE!!!!!!!!!! I am thrilled to have you here my dear. I wanted to invite you so many times but wasn't sure how it would go over due to all the turmoil on TB, sigh. :re:

Hey guys, Arubi, rb., Mary and DarkRose, and any others here on CE who have been involved in the looooooooong saga of posts over on TB concerning "Lost"..what say we collaborate and get those posts over here? I know we can't use EVERYONE's posts because they are 'owned' by those who posted them but what if we, for continuity's sake, were to paraphrase? Also, we'd need to be sure we 'sanitized' their names if we were quoting, of course. Collaboration would be key so we don't have missed posts, non-sequential posts, free-flowing posts, etc or else chaos rather than continuity would reign supreme.

I dunno if this is a viable solution but we've been heavily involved in some greater than great theories and so forth over there and it sure would get CE's "Lost" thread a-hoppin' if we could manage this "move".

Any ideas/suggestions?

[Brooks]

rb, here ya go for a starter. 1,697 (and counting) postings by the addicts at FansOfRealityTV.com:

http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35023

[rb.]

Thanks, Brooks, gonna' check it out now.

[shyLurker]

Welcome Mary!

Loretta V.

[rb.]

Ok, to start, some people have speculated, in the beginning, the following:

Episode 1, The Pilot (for me it was 2 hours, but I'll go with the original 1 hour showing)

SPECULATION:
- Jurassic Park-like monster at work here

-King Kong-like

- why the pilot wasn’t consumed as food for the “monster”

- who do the handcuffs belong to, as in prisoner (we now know it was Kate)

- possibility that Shannon is anorexic. I think maybe she’s been modelling. Got the ‘tude.

- time travel to an earlier time where dinosaurs roamed the earth. (Anyone remember that kids’ show, Land of the Lost? Sorry, couldn’t help myself. Loved that show)

http://www.lost-tv.com/
Summary

The survivors are forced to build a new society and live together despite their different backgrounds. It's probably going to be as Machiavellian as the CBS reality series Survivor, so I'd expect a lot of psychological drama (and trauma) on the show. Also, "it's going to have Michael Crichton-esque elements of a thriller with strong characters. One of the biggest priorities in developing the piece is to have it done in a way that it can sustain over the long term as a regular series."


KUDOS:

- for movie-like quality
- use of flashbacks in backstories. Helps keep interest and build the characters.
- the guy sucked into the plane’s engine was a cool effect

KAYOS:

- not seeking food, shelter, water fast enough. This, though, we’ve learned isn’t really true. They seem to be moving through only a day or two at most per episode, so they’re doing ok, I think, given that they originally expected a rescue party.
- Claire went flying, landing on her belly when there was an explosion, and didn’t go right into labour.

DETAILS:

- 1000 miles off course, pilot turned due to radio failure. (failure *may* be important later)

Hour 2 next up.

[linttrap]

I caught something watching the rerun of the first episode last night that I didn't see AT ALL the first night.

When Walt was looking through the Spanish comic book one of the images he flipped past was a Polar Bear!! Later on, they kill a polar bear.

I think Walt's mind generated the polar bear and maybe even re-created his dog Vincent after the crash. Or is the Island plucking images from everyone's mind and making them real?

I don't have a clue how this fits into the overall picture but the polar bear connection really jumped out at me watching the rerun.

And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?

Thoughts?

Love this show! :yes:

Linttrap

[SageTheRage]

And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?

Wasn't it an orange peel?

[Arubi]

I'll try to add some of my "finds"


Questions fly as `Lost' lumbers into existence
By Sarah Rodman
Sunday, October 10, 2004

``No, it's not a dinosaur.''

Just in case you were wondering if the castaways on ABC's new survival drama ``Lost'' (Wednesdays at 8 p.m. on WCVB, Ch. 5) had crash-landed in ``Jurassic Park,'' co-creator J.J. Abrams assured journalists recently that it is not a hungry T. Rex sizing up dashing surgeon Jack (Matthew Fox) or junkie rock star Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) as snack food.

Just what is that creature thrashing about in the palm trees and other questions the 18 million viewers who tuned in for the first two episodes might have - such as ``Why aren't they rationing food?'' and ``Where did that polar bear come from?'' - won't be answered anytime soon, he said.

``This is the fodder for the show,'' said Abrams, the man also behind ``Alias'' and ``Felicity.'' ``These are the things that I hope people, when they see it, are going to think, `What's going to happen to that pregnant girl?' and `Is that guy going to have withdrawal?' I hope people tune in to see how these characters deal with that and what it does to the group.''

One thing that definitely had an impact on the group was the white-knuckle crash sequence that will be revisited from different characters' points of view throughout the first season of the show.

Jorge Garcia, who plays the burly but squeamish Hurley, said he wasn't nervous flying back from the show's location in Hawaii after shooting the pilot episode.

``Now on plane flights, it goes into my head for a second because there's a lot of visuals of like the tail breaking off and the guy flying out,'' he said. ``That crosses my mind. Every time I sit down on the plane, I think about it for a second, but I've always been a little morbid on planes.''

``After seeing when it drops, you can't really get that image out of your mind, but, you know, at least it's quick, isn't it? Hopefully,'' said Naveen Andrews, who draws suspicion as an Iraqi who formerly served in the Republican Guard.

``I'm actually a pilot; I fly sailplanes and gliders, so I'm comfortable in the air, but after doing that crash sequence, to be honest with you, yeah, it made me think about it a little bit more,'' said Fox. ``The weird thing is now all my castmates and I are going to fly back to Hawaii tomorrow morning on the same flight,'' he added with half-joking unease.

If that seems like a grim thought, it's one Fox is prepared to handle. As Charlie Salinger on ``Party of Five,'' his character was forced to care for his young siblings after their parents were killed in a drunken driving accident. More recently on the short-lived ``Haunted,'' he played a policeman whose son was abducted and whose own near-death experience made him a conduit to the spiritual realm.

``I'm attracted to dark material,'' he said with a laugh. ``I find my comfort level telling intense stories, telling stories that are slightly hypereal, and I like to see how people are going to behave in very, very extraordinary circumstances.''

``Lost'' will be about the people, menacing jungle monster of nebulous origin notwithstanding. ``It is in no way in the spotlight of the show,'' said Abrams, who promised survival will be the first order of business and that the monster won't be some kind of scaly, tropical Donald Trump ``firing'' cast members each week.

The creature will be ``more of an underlying threat,'' he said. ``It's more about what it represents. If you have something that represents terror and fear and the darkness of this place, to me that's incredibly valuable.''

Not to mention a whole lot more interesting than stegosauruses and sleestacks.


http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvN...294&format=text

[Arubi]

LOST Tops the Charts and Gets A New Character!!!

For four weeks in a row (all four of its telecasts), Lost has been the No. 1 program in its hour among viewers and young adults. On its most recent telecast (10/13/04), Lost ranked as the No. 1 TV program of the night in Total Viewers and Adults 18-49. In addition, on the ame night the new drama drew its largest overall audience since its debut episode (9/22/04) and hit series highs in Adults 18-49, Adults 18-34, Teens 12-17 and Kids 2-11. Compared to the first four weeks of last season, Lost has improved the hour for ABC by 6.1 million viewers (17.6 million vs. 11.5 million) and by 40% in Adults 18-49 (6.6/18 vs. 4.7/13). (from comingsoon.net)

William Mapother told SCI FI Wire that he will appear in upcoming episodes of the ABC SF series Lost, playing a mysterious character named Ethan, but he added that he can't reveal many details. "I've thought about this, and frankly, I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't inadvertently reveal something important," Mapother said in an interview. "I can only imagine the horrors they'd subject my character to if I squawked." He added, "Worse than killing me, they'll write me off if I spill anything." (from SciFi Wire)
(2:56 PM)
http://www.lost-tv.com/

[Arubi]

Ex-Hobbit enjoys being 'Lost'

November 21, 2004

By MARISA GUTHRIE New York Daily News

Getting stranded on an inhospitable island with a bunch of nefarious characters and a bloodthirsty beast that lurks in the bushes has turned out to be a good thing for Dominic Monaghan.

The British actor acquired cult fame status by playing the hairy-footed Hobbit Merry Brandybuck in the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. And now his smoldering portrayal as tortured rocker Charlie on ABC's "Lost" has positioned him as one of the hit show's breakout stars.

"It's great to be in a show that people actually watch," Monaghan says.

"My friends watch it," he continues. "And it's great because they're not tuning in to (bad) show just to see me. They watch it because they want to watch it."

The actor has seen his share of bad TV, most of it in his native England. Although he has the blockbuster "Lord of the Rings" movies to his credit, he had few reservations about committing to an American TV project.

"American television is just a lot more dynamic and creative," he says. "There seems to be quite a lot invested in American television. They take it really quite seriously over here, which is really refreshing. They give it a lot of weight."

The new show revolves around a group of people stranded on an island after a plane crash.

The cast of "Lost" is sequestered on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, where they endure a grueling production schedule and little advance warning of plot developments lest spoilers end up on the myriad "Lost" fan sites.

"They track all the scripts so if one turns up on eBay, they will know who did it," Monaghan says. "They keep up with what's being said on the Internet and make sure that they confirm or deny rumors that pop up."

But Monaghan has some information about upcoming episodes.

"In future flashbacks, you're going to see Charlie (at) the height of his heroin addiction," he says.

"We're definitely going to see more of the monster," he adds, offering another snippet of plot. "At least one of the major characters is going to die by the end of the season. And the monster could be the reason that character gets lost."

On whether there is a supernatural element, Monaghan is more cryptic.

"Everyone on the island," he says, "is linked in some way."

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs...1016/FEATURES07

[Arubi]

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...t/showid-24313/


Preview of Dec. 1 episode


http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...13/epid-366355/

Preview of Dec. 8 episode

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...13/epid-373402/

[Arubi]

Might as well dig into other info about the show. I wanted to see what the authors are like. J. J. Abrams co-created the show with Damon Lindelof


Turning Brawny Action Drama Into Sensitive Soap Opera
By LAURA MILLER

Published: November 21, 2004


O learn why J. J. Abrams has recently won a reputation as one of the most exhilarating storytellers in television, see the fourth episode of "Lost," the new hit castaway series Mr. Abrams co-created. The show follows the survivors of a plane crash on a tropical island, and at first it seems to feature the instantly recognizable types you'd expect in any ensemble drama, or any television show whatsoever. There's the stout-hearted hero, the plucky girl, the malcontent, the adorable child. But then there's Locke, a balding, middle-aged loner with a suitcase full of hunting knives and a penchant for making creepy pronouncements about the providential nature of the crash. He's the what - the half-unhinged survivalist, perhaps?

While Locke narrowly avoids being eaten on a hunting expedition, flashbacks show us that - hold on - he's really just a gentle office drone who has long dreamed of trekking through the Australian bush. But when Locke finally arranges his trip, the guide tells him that because of his " condition," he can't set out after all. As the camera pulls back, we discover that - cue the big dramatic flourish - Locke must use a wheelchair. But, wait a minute, the crash has miraculously restored the use of his legs. Cut to commercial!

The intentional misrepresentation of a character, the piquant revelation that makes you think you have the real story, then the unapologetically melodramatic twist, all set within a do-or-die face-off with menacing foes: these are the trademarks of a J. J. Abrams show. And Locke isn't the only character with an omigod back story: everyone in "Lost" turns out to harbor deep secrets. The plucky girl, for instance, is actually a mysterious outlaw in the custody of a sinister United States marshal who died after the crash.

It's a big, splashy vision, full of death and drama, that fuses the intrigues and revelations of the soap opera genre to the expensive stunts and exotic sets of a lavish action movie. Mr. Abrams's other ABC series, "Alias," which follows the outlandish adventures of a C.I.A. agent played by Jennifer Garner, has earned a devoted if cultish following for its similar blend of interpersonal travails and derring-do. And now that "Lost" is up and running, Mr. Abrams has returned to writing "The Catch," the pilot he was working on when ABC persuaded him to develop the castaway show. There's also the little matter of "Mission: Impossible 3," the megabudget Tom Cruise vehicle, which Mr. Abrams will rewrite and direct, with shooting set to begin next June. Mr. Abrams, who got his start writing unremarkable feel-good films and earned his big break with an earnest television series about a pretty but nerdy college girl, has become an unlikely and somewhat subversive keeper of the action-suspense form.

On a rainy day in October, pinging around the Disney ABC lot in Burbank, Calif., Mr. Abrams, 38, resembled the Tasmanian Devil of the old Warner Brothers cartoons, but instead of destruction, he left a trail of episodes, pilots and screenplays in his wake. In addition to his immediate projects, he is planning a half-hour comedy starring Cheri Oteri, and is supervising the development of two more dramatic series, one about con artists hired by the government to catch criminals and another that he describes as a "next-generation 'thirtysomething.' "

Mr. Abrams may be the most interruptible human being alive. Visit his office, and you're likely to see him switch from untangling the intricate plot problems of an unwritten "Alias" episode with the producers Jeff Pinkner and Jesse Alexander, to tinkering with the sound mix of a "Lost" episode to be broadcast in less than 36 hours, to finagling a product-placement deal for the last candy bar left on the "Lost" island, and then back to the "Alias" conundrum. Subdivide the average human being's attention and it frays; Mr. Abrams's seems only to sharpen.

In the middle of fine-tuning post-production work for some bee special effects for "Lost," Mr. Abrams jumped up to play back a joke voice-mail message left by the actor Greg Grunberg, expertly impersonating an aged doctor calling with some very unfortunate test results. Mr. Grunberg, who has been Mr. Abrams's best friend since kindergarten, has appeared in all of his television series, beginning with "Felicity" in 1998, and he'll star in "The Catch."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/a...ion/21mill.html

[Arubi]

The Denver Post


Diversity definitely not "Lost" on ABC series
By Ellen Gray
Knight-Ridder Newspapers


Wednesday, November 17, 2004 -

Television executives like to talk about "colorblind casting," a process that more often than not produces series pilots that are blindingly white.

Occasionally, that's followed, an episode or two later, by the addition of a minority actor or two, after the show's safely sold.

So how did ABC's "Lost," (7 tonight on KMGH-Channel 7) whose plane-crash scenario didn't make it conducive to parachuting in actors later on, manage to create one of TV's most diverse casts right from the beginning?

"I don't think it was colorblind. I think it was color-conscious" casting, suggests actor Harold Perrineau ("Oz"), who plays Michael, a father getting to know his son (Malcolm David Kelley) for the first time.

Besides the African-American father and son, the show's core cast includes an Arab character (played by Naveen Andrews, a British actor of Indian descent) and a Korean couple, all stranded together on an island after a flight from Australia crashes. Plus, there's actor Jorge Garcia, whose character, Hurley, may not be Latino but certainly adds some diversity of his own as one of the larger characters on TV.

"Hey, that's what the world looks like. It doesn't look like 'The O.C,"' said Perrineau. "From my point of view, the world looks like the island."

"What's cool about that, actually, is that on an international flight, you have people from all different countries, so it doesn't feel forced at all," said Daniel Dae Kim ("24," "Angel"), a Korean-born, American-reared actor whose "Lost" character, Jin, speaks no English whatsoever.

Kim owes his job in part to Yunjin Kim, the Korean-born actress who plays his wife, whose audition for another role in the show "blew us away," executive producer Damon Lindelof said.

"We realized that she spoke fluent Korean and decided that we should have a Korean character on the island. And maybe it was a husband and wife."

Lindelof's fellow executive producer, J.J. Abrams, added that "one of the things we were talking about before then was we knew we wanted to have a couple that didn't speak English."

For Daniel Dae Kim, it's "an opportunity because I haven't had a chance to speak any Korean in any of the projects I've done. And I've really made it a point to try and take roles that are as assimilated as possible, so this is a real great chance to explore a whole different side of my career."

Perrineau is happy to be part of another large ensemble.

"I'm really interested in the overall of a thing. So to be part of this project that overall I think has the potential for something great, it's OK if I lay back and wait and let the character develop slowly while other characters develop, because I think the overall" impact is what matters, he said.

[Arubi]

Behind the Scenes of "Lost" with Naveen Andrews
From Rebecca Murray,Your Guide to Hollywood Movies.

Misbehave and You Might Get Eaten
Millions of TV viewers have fallen in love with the new dramatic TV series, "Lost." With each passing week, the audience is pulled further and further into the world of a small group of plane crash survivors who have to make do on a remote island.
As if surviving a horrific crash wasn't bad enough, there's something truly terrifying inhabiting the island. Something the audience hasn't seen yet, but that a very select few characters on the series have met face-to-face. Starring Naveen Andrews, Matthew Fox, Dominic Monaghan, Ian Somerhalder, and Evangeline Lilly - to name just a few - "Lost" succeeds in bringing something brand spanking new and fresh to TV.

INTERVIEW WITH NAVEEN ANDREWS ('Sayid'):

Have you shot your backstory episode?
Yes. We’ve shot that and it should be out in two or three weeks.

What’s it like shooting parallel stories?
It was great. A lot of fun. I was very lucky in that I had a very good cast to work with, and also to put roots down for the character. You get this whole sense of what he’s been through in terms of being a soldier in the Republican Guard in the way Iraq was at that time. And also what happens to him on the island is crazy, just crazy.

Will it change the way you play the character?
Very much so. You now see him going in a more… I won’t say who, but he links up romantically with one of the other women on the island.

Is it weird to do several episodes before you learn something new?
No, because I think one of the great things about this particular medium as opposed to film, which as you know is a beginning, an arc and an end. It’s finite. With this, you're basically learning about the character as the audience does. I think that’s the kind of balance that should happen. And at first, it was scary. It was frightening to be literally shooting in the dark. But if we were given all those beats to play early on, say in the pilot, if I knew what his backstory was, who he was going to link with, I would have played all those beats. And it wouldn’t have been appropriate. It wouldn’t have been good. It wouldn’t have worked, in other words.

You do, obviously, make some wrong choices that would show, but I think it’s pretty good not knowing. And it’s only something that I’ve recently perceived. I perceived it about two weeks into it. I remember talking to [the show’s creators, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof] and they said, “Well, how much would you like to know? Do you need to know?” And I said, “No, I’d actually prefer not knowing.” You don’t want to play something that you hit it over a hammer and then when it finally comes… It shouldn’t be a surprise for the wrong reasons. It should be a surprise for the right reasons.

What do you think is in the woods?
We honestly don’t know what it is. At first I thought it was like a Dr. Moreau thing, like somebody must have built something that goes around and eats people. But I honestly think it’s a device put in by the producers that if any of the actors get out of hand, they get eaten by a monster. And it’s true. Everyone’s s**t scared of being eaten.

So if you behave, we’ll never find out?
But somebody’s going to blow their top. You know what actors are like. Somebody’s not going to come out of their trailer. Somebody’s going to freak out at one point for whatever reason, and they’ll get eaten. And you don’t even have to see it. Just, “Oh, he got eaten.”

If you were in that position, would you move by the water supply or stay with the fire?
I’d stay with the fire because we haven’t been there that long. Somebody could come. We already know what’s lurking in the interior. Christ, I want to be away from that as long as possible.

Is it hard to get into the mindset of this island survivor when you’re living the life of luxury in Hawaii?
We’re all very different actors. Some of us, I guess, try to go for as much of the reality as we possibly can. In so much, in so far as is humanly possible to do so. Eventually, we’re all going to have to start looking like skeletons at some point. But at this point in time, it’s still too early to show things like rotting sores.

And there’s enough boar…
I sincerely hope so.

Have things changed a lot for you yet with the success of “Lost?”
One of the nicest things about being in Hawaii is that we’re away from all that bulls**t. We’re not really aware of it in the same way as we would be if we were in LA. And it’s great because none of that s**t has anything to do with the work.

Are you getting better opportunities?
Oh yeah, definitely. And I have to face the fact that a lot of people watch television. It’s a different level of fame. It’s not like an arthouse movie-kind of thing. You literally are in people’s homes. And that’s different, I have to say.

* * * http://romanticmovies.about.com/od/...osttv111204.htm

[Arubi]

Actresses plan to glam
it up for the holidays
The Ladies of 'Lost'

By Tim Ryan
tryan@starbulletin.com
It's getting to look and feel a lot like Christmas for everyone, including the "castaways" of ABC's hit series "Lost."

The four female co-stars -- Evangeline Lilly, Emilie de Ravin, Yunjin Kim and Maggie Grace -- are looking forward to a two-week holiday hiatus and a chance to swap their survival garb for dress-up events.

The Star-Bulletin asked the actors about their fashion likes and dislikes, and holiday hopes and dreams.

continued at link;

http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/12/features/story2.html

[Arubi]

WARNING! THE FOLLOWING EPISODE TITLES AND DESCRIPTIONS MAY BE CONSIDERED SPOILERS! DON'T CONTINUE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!






Episode 12: Whatever the Case May Be
Jack, Kate and Sawyer fight over possession of a newly discovered locked metal briefcase which might contain insights into Kate's mysterious past. Meanwhile, Sayid asks a reluctant Shannon to translate notes he took from the French woman, a rising tide threatens to engulf the fuselage and the entire beach encampment, and Rose and a grieving Charlie tentatively bond over Claire's baffling disappearance.
Original US Airdate: 05 January 2005
Written by:
Directed by:
Promo Pictures | Screencaps



Episode 13: Hearts and Minds
When Locke learns that Boone wants to tell their "secret" to Shannon, Shannon's life is placed in sudden peril, and the shocking truth about her past with Boone is revealed. Meanwhile, Kate is puzzled by Sun's mysterious behavior, and a hungry Hurley must repay a debt to Jin.
Original US Airdate: 12 January 2005
Written by:
Directed by:
Promo Pictures | Screencaps

http://www.lost-tv.com/episodes/

[Arubi]

There are currently 14 major characters on the series. We're going to add character information (as well as memorable moments and quotable quotes) soon.

Jack (Matthew Fox)
A doctor, he emerges as the leader of the castaways. He has a lot of skills which come in handy in a crisis situation, but he's not without his own skeletons in his closet.

Kate (Evangeline Lilly)
A fugitive from the law, she was travelling with a US Marshal when the plane crashed. Not much is known of her crime. For Kate (which may or may not be her real name), the crash represents a fresh start for her.

Charlie (Dominic Monaghan)
The bass player for the band Drive Shaft. He has a drug addiction, and as of now still has a stash which he retrieved from the plane.

Hurley (Jorge Garcia)
Warm, nice, and friendly. He's a big guy, willing to help, but is queasy at the sight of blood. Says "dude" a lot.

Boone (Ian Somerhalder)
Shannon's brother. Works as a lifeguard, but he may have to rethink that. May be wealthy.

Shannon (Maggie Grace)
Boone's sister. She holds on to the belief that they will be rescued soon. Also holds on to the belief that the world must obey her every whim. "Studied" in Paris. May be wealthy.

Michael (Harold Perrineau)
A father who flies to Australia to gain custody of a son he hasn't seen in years after the death of his ex-wife.

Walt (Malcolm David Kelley)
Michael's 9-year-old son who's travelling with his father after his mother's death. Has a pet dog, Vincent.

Sayid (Naveen Andrews)
A former member of the Iraqi Republican Guard who served in the Gulf War. He's handy with electronics, and terribly good in Math.

Sawyer (Josh Holloway)
Hot-tempered and rough-and-tumble. Appears to be the typical Southern redneck, yet he has a softer side which occassionally shines through his exterior.

Locke (Terry O'Quinn)
A mysterious man who seems far too at ease in this situation. He may hold the key to where they are and how they got there.

Jin (Daniel Dae Kim)
One half of a non-English speaking Korean couple. He is controlling and protective of his wife, Sun.

Sun (Yunjin Kim)
One half of a non-English speaking Korean couple. She seems to be forced into a conservative role, but seems to have a rebellious streak in her.

Claire (Emilie De Ravin)
An Australian woman 8 months pregnant, even though she's single. "Very modern of me," she says.

http://www.lost-tv.com/characters/

[linttrap]

"And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?"

"Wasn't it an orange peel?"


That's what I thought the first time I saw it but I wasn't so sure after the re-run...the orange color had an unnatural brightness to it. Of course, having seen subsequent episodes I now expect everything to be a little off kilter and that may have "colored" the whole thing to my eyes. :D

I taped it and plan to go back and examine a few things more closely.

Linttrap

[rb.]

It was a section of orange, including the peel, that he was chewing on. I don't know if he opened his lips to smile, or to hint to Kate, without letting others know, that there may be oranges available.

I'm still working on hour 2, but I have to run out for a few hours. Should have it posted soon, to be followed by more in hopes of bringing this thread up to date.

[rb.]

'K. Here's a summary of points regarding hour 2 of the pilot.

Episode: Pilot

Episode 2

DETAILS:
- chicks in bathing suits and underwear. uh...how come they don’t do that with the men? ;)
-whose handcuffs are these anyway?
-the Korean couple has an odd relationship, and the husband isn’t interested in mixing it up with the rest. Wifey doesn’t seem happy. He likes sushi, and tries to feed it to a laughing Hurley, and succeeds in feeding it to pregnant Claire.
-Kate is revealed as the wearer of the handcuffs via the flashback while on the plane
-Sayid tells he was in the Republican Guard, a communications officer
-Kate’s arresting officer, a US Marshall, has his shrapnel removed by Doc Jack
- Hurley can’t handle seeing blood
-Sawyer can shoot and kill a polar bear, but it’s not a polar bear knocking down the trees in the forest.
-Sawyer will stay and shoot when everyone else runs. :D Ok, so no one else had a gun...I’ll admit it.
-a signal is picked up of the French woman (Danielle) that has been transmitting in a loop for 16 years. “Help me, they’re all dead. It killed them all.” That’s just part of the message
-Charlie’s a junkie
-Claire felt the baby kick once again when she ate the Korean guy’s sushi
- one dark, one light, Locke holding up backgammon pieces.

SPECULATION:
-Korean wifey will jump ship and hook up with an American, or at least a less controlling guy’
- Junkie Charlie needs to go.
-Charlie will be difficult to cope with once out of drugs
- with only one doctor, Jack will be quite a busy guy
- Sayid is a valuable guy to have around, having fixed the radio and knowing how it works/how to use it.
-how is it that Claire hasn’t lost her baby yet with everything she’s been through physically?
-Locke is weird, spooky, bizarre, etc., possibly a government agent or scientist
-that the Korean wife can speak English
- how and when will Vincent the Dog show up, and in what condition?
- polar bear is NOT the monster, not big enough
-they are all dead, and in purgatory
-they are in a paralell universe
-polar bear on a tropical island???? In what universe?
-why hasn’t Vincent the Dog left the bush and gone to his owner, the kid Walt?
-will they kill off a charater every episode?
-what is Kate’s crime?
-how could Kate claim not to know how to disable the gun, yet got it away so easily from Sawyer?
-Locke knows something special, or has been on the island before
-the dog’s previous behaviour may have changed, see why isn’t he looking for Walt, above.
- the island affects animals or the party with Danielle did some experiment that went wrong
-it’s the island of Dr. Moreau
-Kim may be a big help in accquiring food in the future, given his sushi find
-polar bear is not a real polar bear
-Kate didn’t need the instruction on how to remove ammo from the gun, she was ahead of the instructions.
-rb.-I think the bush-moving, dino-sounding stepper is a rhino. When they showed the polar bear, and then figured out the 16 year loop on the message being transmitted, I had a thought. A previous crash that was transporting animals to a zoo? Would explain a polar bear in the tropics. But I ain't buying that it was the bear stomping around, making those noises, or grabbing the pilot out of the cockpit. Using this idea, there could be many lovely, or nasty, surprises in store for them where animals are concerned. And in 16 years, they would have had lots of time to multiply, if travelling with mates.
-time loop?

KUDOS:
-again, use of flashbacks to learn the story of the crash
-a real animal, polar bear, as the monster, or is it? People don’t want some freaky dino story, they want realism here.
-writing is great
-casting is great, especially in the choice of who was in handcuffs. Very unexpected.
-lots of mystery
-lots of character building and plot in a short time
-to Kate for splitting the gun and ammo up between Sayid and Sawyer

KAYOS:
-WAAAAY too many commercials

More to follow. :yes:
Good job on the articles and character listing, guys. :tup:

[Mary]

HI Sage, rb, Lorettav, Arubi, and everyone else!! So glad I found you all. ;)

I put in a quote from TVGUIDE about Danielle yesterday. Let me go get it, be right back ...

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :rolleyes: Got it....
<b>WHAT'S IN A NAME?

So the Frenchwoman tress [sic] signal is alive and living on the island and she's named Danielle Rousseau. Is her surname a nod to 18th Century philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau? "That's exactly who we named her after," admits LOST cocreator Damon Lindelof. Makes sense. Rousseau believed in the noble savage, the idea that humans were good and equal in the state of nature but were corrupted by property, science and commerce. Adds Lindelof, "Every single name on the show has purpose and meaning.' But of course! --Nerina Rammairone</b>

btw: I agree with this Jean-Jacques Rousseau thoughts.

So..., every name has a meaning Ah-Ha!

[Cabin Fever]

Arubi, thanks for posting these. Excellent reading for those of us waiting for Wed. night to get here. :D

[y2kmisfit]

Hi guys...Mary showed me the way here.

[Arubi]

:) Really good to see you guys/gals

[SageTheRage]

Y2!!! You made it here too!!!!! GREAT! Glad to have that super sleuth mind of yours here on CE's "Lost" thread.

rb. and I are trying to collaborate and get this board as up-to-date as TB's in regard to the great posts EVERYONE'S made to the subject over there.

Yes, Arubi, you're right, it IS really good to see all the guys/gals here!!!

[y2kmisfit]

Y2!!! You made it here too!!!!! GREAT! Glad to have that super sleuth mind of yours here on CE's "Lost" thread.

rb. and I are trying to collaborate and get this board as up-to-date as TB's in regard to the great posts EVERYONE'S made to the subject over there.

Yes, Arubi, you're right, it IS really good to see all the guys/gals here!!!

Looks like you all are doing a great job!
I hate to jump in with new observations while you're up-dating the the shows to-date.
I want to stress though folks...Please tape all shows if possible!
There are so many really small clues that you might notice that it's really helpful to go back and rewatch shows.

Last night I was going back and checking on Charlie's finger tape messages.
(I really need to get a life :D )
Did you know that he didn't wear them prior to the plane crash?
Did you know in the first episode they spelled F_A_T_E?
After that they spelled L_A_T_E
What's the point? I don't know! :crazy:

[rb.]

y2kmisfit, I don't mind if you jump, and I'm sure no one else will. We're just trying to make sure that we have the stuff that was previously discussed, speculated, etc., for a fuller thread. Just for reference.

Besides, if you hold back, you might forget your point! :eek: We can't have that!

I'm trying to get back to my summary work, but the kids have me tied up much of the day. I hope to have another post tonight.

I'm glad to see everyone here! :D

[y2kmisfit]

I caught something watching the rerun of the first episode last night that I didn't see AT ALL the first night.

When Walt was looking through the Spanish comic book one of the images he flipped past was a Polar Bear!! Later on, they kill a polar bear.

I think Walt's mind generated the polar bear and maybe even re-created his dog Vincent after the crash. Or is the Island plucking images from everyone's mind and making them real?

I don't have a clue how this fits into the overall picture but the polar bear connection really jumped out at me watching the rerun.

And what was that weird orange glow in Locke's mouth when Kate looked over at him and he slowly smiled?

Thoughts?

Love this show! :yes:

Linttrap

Linttrap
I really do think the comic is a very important clue!
I don't think Walt saw the images of the polar bear and then his mind created it because the french woman Daneille referenced the bears to Sayid.
The next page that Walt looked at in the comic really sets up possibilities.
Do a freeze frame on it if you have it taped. Hit your pause button, then keep tapping the pause button to go frame-by-frame.
The page shows 2 men talking to an alien. They are in what appears to be a large domed room. You can tell it's domed by the arched steel columns around it. It looks like it could be a power plant! Both men at first looked to me like "Super Hero's" by their outfits, but I'm not so sure. One guy has on an aluminum hard hat. He's also wearing a red shirt with a yellow lightning bolt on it. This is what made me think of Super Hero. He's also wearing blue pants, maybe jeans. The hard hat has what appears to be small lightning bolt wings near the back, knid of like "The Flash". This may be a Power Plant uniform.
The other guy is a blonde, curly haired guy with a mask on like "The Lone Ranger" He's wearing a green outfit with a large green cape. The collar of the cape has a large up-sweeping bowl shape. There's some of insignia on his shirt, but I can't make it out.
The conversations between the 2 guys and the alien is in spanish. I could see the words "Planes" spoken by the alien and by the hard hat guy. "Planes" is the same in Spanish as in English. I could see the word "Mal" by the green caped guy. This is Spanish for Evil or Bad.
I think this may be an underground power plant and Locke and Boone dropped the flashlight on it's roof in the last episode!
If anyone can read spanish and has it taped, please take a look at it as my tape doesn't show the words very clearly.

[shyLurker]

Wow y2kmisfit!!!! What a sleuth you are!! Can't wait for Wednesday.

Loretta V.

[y2kmisfit]

Wow y2kmisfit!!!! What a sleuth you are!! Can't wait for Wednesday.

Loretta V.

Thanks! I can pick up unusual clues...just can't seem to make sense of them.
Be sure and tape the shows if you can.
I originally didn't tape episodes 1,2 & 3, so this is giving me the chance to.
FWIW episode 1 & 2 which I taped this past Wednesday and paused through the comercials, when I played it back there was only 51 minutes of show!! 69 minutes of comercials. :eek:
I finally got my wife to watch them and tonight we finished them all (except #3 which I will get Wednesday)
I think she's hooked too now!

[rb.]

Don't have much time on the computer right now, but I wanted to post this before I forget about it.

In the pilot, when the "monster" is crashing through for the first time, and they're all watching from the beach, Rose made a comment. She said right afterwards that she'd heard that sound somewhere before. Someone asked her where she was from, and she said the Bronx. Or it could of been Brooklyn, but I'm sure it was the Bronx. So what is it that she recognized, and why?

Also, another thought. Why does it have to be something above ground dropping the trees and making that noise? Looked like the trees were dropping from the root level. Seismic? Sink holes? An underground tunnel system as a work in progress? Especially in light of Locke and Boone's discovery in the last new ep, I think something going on underground may be responsible.

Will try to get back here this afternoon.

[y2kmisfit]

Don't have much time on the computer right now, but I wanted to post this before I forget about it.

In the pilot, when the "monster" is crashing through for the first time, and they're all watching from the beach, Rose made a comment. She said right afterwards that she'd heard that sound somewhere before. Someone asked her where she was from, and she said the Bronx. Or it could of been Brooklyn, but I'm sure it was the Bronx. So what is it that she recognized, and why?

Also, another thought. Why does it have to be something above ground dropping the trees and making that noise? Looked like the trees were dropping from the root level. Seismic? Sink holes? An underground tunnel system as a work in progress? Especially in light of Locke and Boone's discovery in the last new ep, I think something going on underground may be responsible.

Will try to get back here this afternoon.

rb
The sounds to me sounded like guteral growls similar to in the movie "Jurasic Park". The stomping sounded metalic like the snow walkers in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back" or the stamping maching in "Terminator".
Rose's comment on sounding familiar could be from movie sounds.
The "Monster" took the Pilot out of the window of the planes cockpit when the front end was tilted up about a 45 degree angle, and out him high up in the tree.
Also, when Locke was face-to-face with it, Locke had to look way high. The camera angle seemed to be from the "Monsters" perspective and looked maybe 15 feet up.

[y2kmisfit]

:(

November 28, 2004

Upcoming December Repeats

After two new episodes on December 1st and 8th, Lost will go into reruns until January 5. ABC will air the first 6 episodes on December 15, 22 and 29 in the regular 8 p.m. slot and also 9 p.m.

Pilot (1) & Pilot (2) from 8 to 10 p.m. on the 15th

Tabula Rasa & Walkabout on the 22nd from 8 to 10p.m. on the 22nd

White Rabbit & House of the Rising Sun on the 29th from 8 to 10p.m.
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-24313/

Aurbi
My weekly show guide and ABC's on-line schedule shows Walkabout and White Rabbit for this Wednesday Dec.22
What happened to episode #3 Tabula Rasa? Any Ideas?
This is the only episode I'm Missing on tape!! :eek:

[rb.]

y2kmisfit, I just watched part of it again, as my 9 yr. old wants to see the old episodes. The sound before the trees go down when the survivors are on the beach sounds like a kind of warning horn. Like you would hear prior to the demolition of a building, or the nuking of a South Pacific island during a test. :eek: I really think the "attacker" of the pilot and the sound are two different things. Connected perhaps, but separate. A warning that people below are letting something loose?

[y2kmisfit]

y2kmisfit, I just watched part of it again, as my 9 yr. old wants to see the old episodes. The sound before the trees go down when the survivors are on the beach sounds like a kind of warning horn. Like you would hear prior to the demolition of a building, or the nuking of a South Pacific island during a test. :eek: I really think the "attacker" of the pilot and the sound are two different things. Connected perhaps, but separate. A warning that people below are letting something loose?

rb
Could be! There's also the glow in the background!
One thing we can be sure of...whatever it is...it'll be what's least expected! :yes:

[y2kmisfit]

rb
I would go back and listen for the horn (good catch by the way), but yesterday I loaned all my tapes to my Daughter and Son-in-law!
It was like giving up my first born.

[rb.]

rb
I would go back and listen for the horn (good catch by the way), but yesterday I loaned all my tapes to my Daughter and Son-in-law!
It was like giving up my first born.

:rofl: I know what you mean.

K', guys, here's the next installment of where we've been.

Episode 3 Tabula Rasa

EP summary from ABC

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/3.html
Tabula Rasa"
Air Date: 10/06/2004

In a makeshift infirmary tent, Jack is tending to the Marshal who mutters the same thing over and over through his pain: "Don't trust her…She's dangerous." When Jack asks him who "She" is, the Marshal tells him to look in his Jacket pocket. What he finds there will change things on the island forever. It's a mug shot…of Kate!

The Signal Party is working their way back down the mountain. It's getting dark and some of them want to make camp for the night. Sawyer wants to press on through the jungle at night, but anyone who has seen the last two episodes knows that isn't a very good idea and he is convinced to stay. Sitting around the fire, they discuss what they should tell the others about the French transmission. That information hasn't exactly done a lot for their peace of mind, so in the end they decide not to tell the others anything in order to preserve hope. At least for now…

And speaking of hope, back in the tent Jack is using a great deal of it trying to save the Marshall. Hurley enters, stumbles across Kate's mug shot and asks the question we all want answered: "What do you think she did?" — off which we FLASHBACK TO:

Kate, being prodded by a shotgun held by a farmer (Ray) who wants to know what she is doing sleeping in his barn. After a frank exchange, the two find that they can be of service to each other. He needs some help on the farm, she needs a job and a place to stay. She says her name is "Annie."

Back at the Signal Party, Boone lifts the gun from Sawyer and the clip from Sayid as they sleep. They wake up and an argument ensues over who should have the gun, but they can't agree on a trustworthy candidate — until they arrive at Kate. She reluctantly agrees to keep it.

The next morning, Hurley arrives at the infirmary tent to tell Jack the Signal Party has returned. Kate pulls Jack aside and says she has something she wants to tell him…in private. Jack is relieved, assuming that she is going to confide in him. But when they get down to it, Kate tells Jack about the French transmission. He asks if there is anything else she'd like to tell him. She asks if the Marshal has regained consciousness. When Jack tells her he did briefly during the surgery, Kate asks if he said anything to Jack. Jack considers the question for a moment before answering, "No."

The Marshal has taken a turn for the worse. If they don't find some stronger antibiotics, he's not going to make it. Hurley tells him he's looked everywhere…except the fuselage — but that's full of bodies "and they're all…dead."

Jack enters the wreckage and does his best to avoid disturbing the bodies as he makes a desperate search for anything that will help the Marshal. Hearing something rustling behind him, he finds Sawyer combing the fuselage for a different reason — turns out he's doing a little personal shopping. Jack berates him for disrespecting the dead, but Sawyer tells Jack to get with the program. Jack still thinks they are back in civilization while Sawyer realizes they are "in the wild."

At one end of the beach, Charlie is helping Claire collect luggage using a wheelchair from the plane and they begin to form a bond. Meanwhile, Sun presents a suitcase to Jin, but after closer inspection Jin determines it is the wrong one and tells Sun to keep looking. But before she does, he tells her to go and clean up her face, she is embarrassing him. As she turns leave, he tells her he loves her. And the strange thing is that he appears to mean it.

Hurley bumps into Kate at the infirmary tent and tries to play it cool about knowing her secret and in the process notices the gun in her waistband. He is not a smooth liar. And off the gun we FLAHBACK to:

Kate, who decides it's time to move on from the Australian farm. But when she accepts a ride from Ray to the train station, she learns that he is planning on turning her in to the authorities. He saw her picture at the post office and he really needs that reward money. Kate looks in the side mirror to see the Marshal, hot on her heels. In a desperate attempt to get away, Kate jerks the wheel and crashes the truck off the road. Saving the farmer from the truck costs her a chance to escape and she is captured by the Marshal.

Back in real time, while leaning over her body, the Marshal wakes up and lunges at Kate's throat, choking her. Jack has to pull him off of her before it's too late.

Michael struggles to forge bond with Walt — wants to know what the bald told him yesterday. Walt says it's a secret, but when Michael presses the issue, Walt reveals that Locke told him "a miracle happened." Michael wants him to stay away from Locke.

When the rain stops, Michael searches for the dog in jungle. He hears something in the tall grass; something dangerous. He runs as fast as he can to get away from it and runs smack into Sun, who is topless and washing herself. There is an awkward moment between them.

Back on the beach, the Marshal is dying. Loudly. His screams are taking a physical toll on the rest of the group. Sayid asks Jack if anything can be done. Jack says he is doing all he can. The Marshal tells Jack he wants to speak to Kate…alone. While she is in the tent, Hurley tells Jack about the gun he saw in her pants. Jack races back to the infirmary tent before it's too late… "BANG!"

Out of the tent walks…Sawyer! He did what had to be done —what Jack couldn't do. Horrible groans come from the tent again. We go in to find that the Marshal still isn't dead — Sawyer shot him in the chest! He was aiming for the heart, but he missed! It will take hours for him to bleed out and he will suffer horribly. Jack throws an extremely shaken Sawyer out of the tent. And a few moments later…the moans stop for good. Jack emerges and walks past Sawyer without a word.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DETAILS:
-Kate’s backstory
-the marshall, or whatever, suggested Kate easily woos men
-Sawyer tries to put him out of his misery, but shoots the marshall in the chest, instead of the head, and it’s the last bullet. And he doesn’t die. Bummer. Jack had to go in and do the deed, much to his dismay.
-Locke calls Vincent the dog out of the forest with a whistle he made, but indicates to Michael that Michael should be the one to give the dog to Walt, making Michael look better in Walt’s eyes.

SPECULATION:
- big cat roaming the island?
-Kate can’t be so bad, she keeps trying to help people, even when she’s at risk
-Sawyer’s not too bright, the last bullet should have been in the Lawman’s head, he’s a moron (oh, how some of have changed our tune!)
-Locke knows more secrets, viewers like this
-the more that is revealed of Locke, the greater the mystery grows
- hopes of some to see Hurley lose weight to make it realistic
-Survivor-ish? First in the pilot, the pilot bites it, then in this one the Marshall bites it. So who’s next?
-anticipation over Charlie’s necessary withdrawl, once drugs are gone.
-everyone has a secret
-what the heck did Kate do, anyway? Why was she chased by a US Marshall all the way to Australia?
-did Kate kill some guy, like an abusive husband/boyfriend, or a lecherous step-father, or some pimp in control of her little sister?
-how long have they been on the island? 48 to 72 hours?
-where is the tail section, and did anyone survive from that section?
-survival skills to share: Locke, Sayid, Jack
-has Locke been to the island before? Does he have an aboriginal ancestry, maybe?
-Locke may know what’s out there and is not afraid of it.
-how did Jack finally kill the marshall?
-is Kate a thief? Is that why she was being transported out of Australia with the marshall?
-Charlie was trying to stop the drugs when on the plane? He’ll be ok.
-that was no polar bear!
- SAGE figures, more with each episode, that Locke may have been on the island before, and that he’ll be the saving grace of those on the island, or at least the good ones. While he may not be pure in his decision as to who to save and who to let perish. He’s definitely one to watch, but maybe a sleeper character will surprise us all.
-could the sleeper be the Asian couple, Jin and Sun? He has some major jealousy issues.
-since they’re not giving us much insight into Locke, maybe he’s the one to watch.

KUDOS:
-Sayid is way smart.
-Hey, look who Charlie is! Why, it’s Merry!!
-to Locke for encouraging Michael to give the dog to Walt, instead of Locke doing it himself
-to Kate for trying to make sure the farmer got his reward money, even though he turned her in.
-finally an original idea for a tv show
-is Vincent the dog to be trusted?

KAYOS:
-they need to be gathering food and making shelter by this point
-they need to go searching for the French transmission source

[y2kmisfit]

remember in the episode when Kate went to Sawyer to try and get the asthma inhalers? He was reading the book Watership Down.
Here is a link to the books forum.
It also has a Watership Down song.
Does this song sound anything like the music box song?
There must be a clue in the book!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rabbit/waterdn.htm

[y2kmisfit]

here's an interesting item on the book.
check out the picture and discription as well as the book passage.
http://www.mayfieldiow.freewire.co.uk/watershp/waters26.htm

[y2kmisfit]

http://www.mayfieldiow.freewire.co.uk/watershp/index.htm

[y2kmisfit]

http://kingbiscuit.com/america/song/song062.htm

Watership Down
Written by Gerry Beckley, ©1976
Found on Hideaway and Highway.

Watership Down, gather around
There's a story to be told
It's for the young and for the old
You might hear them in the distance
If your ear's to the ground

Whisper it loud, carry the sound
Of the footsteps alone
When they're heading for home
Through the raining of the dangers
And the grayness of the dawn

I can feel there's better days
Well, they're comin', they're comin'
I can see them through the haze
So can you

Watership Down, gather around
There's a story to be told
It's for the young and for the old
You might hear them in the distance
If your ear's to the ground

I can feel there's better days
Well, they're comin', they're comin'
I can see them through the haze
So can you

Oo, oo, oo

Watership Down, gather around
There's a story to be told
It's for the young and for the old
You might hear them in the distance
If your ear's to the ground

Whisper it loud, carry the sound
Of the footsteps alone
When they're heading for home
Through the raining of the dangers
And the grayness of the dawn.

I can feel there's better days
Well, they're comin', they're comin'
I can see them through the haze
So can you

Oo, oo, oo, oo ...

[rb.]

Well, y2kmisfit, they messed ya' up, didn't they. No Tabula Rasa! I'm in big trouble. Got my mom hooked on the pilot today, and told her she could pretty much catch up before the new ones. Now she already misses #3, and there's no way they will air all of them before they resume the new ones. EIII! :(

[rb.]

Episode 4 Walkabout

Summary

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/4.html

"Walkabout"
Air Date: 10/13/2004

We are in Locke's dream as the show opens and it's moments after the crash. As his eye opens, we see the experience from his perspective. Chaos rages around him as he very cautiously looks down to his feet. We see him wiggle his big toe — Good, everything works.

Back in real time, Locke's dream is interrupted by Vincent barking. In fact, he's waking up the entire camp. He won't stop barking at the fuselage and when Jack and the others listen closely they can hear something rummaging around in there. But that can't be, everything in there is…dead. Sawyer? Nope, he's right behind Jack. When they shine a flashlight inside, two glowing eyes shine right back at them. Uh oh…

Three squealing beasts charge out of the wreckage and tear through the camp. As they disappear back into the jungle, Locke is able to determine what they are —Wild Boars. They've been attracted by the bodies that have been baking in the fuselage for the last 4 days. Something has to be done. Bury them? They wouldn't stay buried, not for long anyway. Jack makes the only call he can — The bodies have to be burned.

But, as usual, just as one problem is solved, another rears its ugly head. They're out of food. It's all gone. And just as panic begins to set in, Locke steps forward with his own brand of problem solving. They can hunt the boars. What are they supposed to hunt with? The case of knives Locke checked into the luggage compartment. "Who is this guy?"

In FLASHBACK Locke gets a cryptic phone call from someone who calls him "Colonel." Of course, he's in the military! But we soon discover that isn't true at all — Locke is just another cubicle jockey with an active imagination.

Back on the island, Michael is getting ready to go with Locke. Walt wants to come, but Michael manages to communicate with Sun well enough to convince her to watch his son until the hunting party returns. Meanwhile, Sayid has a plan to try and locate the source of the French Transmission using homemade antennas to triangulate the signal. Kate agrees to help him and tells Jack of her plan before setting off with Locke and Michael to hunt for boar. Back at the fuselage, Claire is beginning to collect the personal effects of the dead for use in a eulogy during the cremation. She asks Jack to be the one to give it, but he doesn't want the job. Claire decides to do it herself.

Boone remarks to Shannon that one of the survivors, Rose, has been sitting by herself way down the beach. He's pretty sure she hasn't eaten since the crash. When Shannon tells him to butt out, Boone reminds Shannon that she would starve without his help. She vows to show him she can take care of herself.

Deep in the jungle, Locke has found the boar trail. They're close. He sends Michael and Kate out to surround the beast, but it turns on them and charges. Michael is gored in the leg and as Kate helps him up she calls to Locke to see if he is okay. "I'm fine, Helen, I just got the wind knocked out of me." Who is Helen?

In FLASHBACK, we see Locke enjoying an intimate conversation with "Helen" over the phone. He has a surprise for her — he finally saved up the money to go to Australia and take that authentic aboriginal walkabout. And guess what? He bought two tickets. Sadly, we learn that Helen doesn't share the same feelings for Locke as he does for her.

Back on the island, Kate agrees to help Michael limp back to the beach, but Locke is determined to bring down that boar. Kate tells him he can't go out there by alone. Locke disagrees. "Don't tell me what I can't do."

Back on the beach, a hunter of another sort has found her quarry. Shannon flirts with Charlie and mentions how much she would like a fish. Charlie is only too happy to catch her one…as soon as he can learn how to from Hurley.

Jack has made his way over to Rose and tries to get her to open up to him. After some time, she does and tells him that, even though he has not been found, she believes her husband, Bernard is still alive. She agrees to rejoin the others. Meanwhile, back at the fuselage, Claire has found an envelope with Sayid's name on it. He opens it and we find a woman's picture inside. Sayid can't seem to take his eyes off her.

On the way back to the beach, Kate stops to climb a tree and attach the antenna. But when she is up there, she sees the monster knocking down trees in the distance and drops the antenna, breaking it. And the monster…is heading straight for Locke.

On the beach, Sun is teaching Walt about natural substitutes for toothpaste when Michael and Kate return. The others learn that the hunt was unsuccessful and worse still, that Locke is probably dead.

When Jack is making the final preparations to the fuselage, he sees something — wait -someone, off in the forest. When he chases after him, he runs smack into Locke, who has somehow managed to survive his run in with the monster. And that's not all — he brought back a boar with him.

As night falls, the fuselage is ignited and the names of the dead are read in memorial to them. Michael congratulates Locke on the hunt and asks him if he got a look at the monster. Locke tells him he didn't see anything.

But as we get one more glimpse into his past, we learn that Locke is keeping a secret — one that must be seen to be believed.


SPECULATION / QUESTIONS:
-how did Locke lose the use of his legs?
-why is he “Col. Locke” in his flashback, was he mil at one time?
-is he mentally ill?
-Locke and Sayid are the ones to be with if TSHTF
-who’s the dude in the suit?
-why isn’t Locke talking about the monster he saw?
-they all died in the plane crash and are in Hell.
-different feel to this episode
-funny how Locke seems to centred, strong, independent, but needs a 1-900 friend to talk to.
-a feeling that the tide is turning on how the show is presented
-seems there are no random acts or dialogue on this show, everything is eventually significant
-seems that there are clues dropped each week
-Locke’s scene where he was refused his walkabout trip he was pitiful, but on the island he’s a leader and provider
-does Locke consider himself lucky to have regained the use of his legs, or unhappy because he’s stuck on the island. Probably thinks he’s lucky.
-still don’t trust the dog
-who does the doc keep seeing in the suit
-why is it just the doc that keeps seeing him?
-Jack didn’t seem to enthused about his profession or how he got there. Maybe he’s thought about quitting.
-maybe Jack’s time on the island will change his mind for him
-could the man Jack sees be his grandfather, a doctor, who is there to tell him something about his career choice?

[rb.]

Summary Episode 5

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/5.html

"White Rabbit"
Air Date: 10/20/2004

As the eye opens, we see a trickle of blood beginning to flow from a cut just above it. We pull back to see a boy laying flat on his back. Beside him another boy is being ruthlessly beaten against a school yard fence. "Walk away now and you won't get your ass kicked," says the bully. And the truth of it is, walking away would definitely be the smart thing for him to do - the bully is much bigger than he is. But the boy against the fence is in real trouble and, mixed in with the pain and the terror there is something else written on his face — written so clearly you'd have to be blind not to see it. Please, help me! The first boy is up in a flash and goes to help his friend, but he's grabbed from behind by the bully and spun around, the bully's fist already cocked and ready to fire. "Should've stayed down Jack." WHAP! Lights out…

That was a Young Jack. Back in real time, Charlie races down the beach towards him, rousing Adult Jack from his FLASHBACK. "Jack! JACK! There's someone out there!" Charlie points out to the ocean — And oh my God, there IS someone out there yelling for help and struggling to stay afloat. Before Charlie can explain that he doesn't know how to swim, Jack is in the water, pounding through the surf towards the target. When he gets there, he scans the surface and finds nothing but open water. He dives under. Nothing. He dives again and he's down there a long time until…he's up and he's got someone with him. It's Boone! And just as we're about to breathe a sigh of relief, Boone asks a terrible question: "Did you get her?" Did he get who? "That woman, did you get her?" Jack turns around and, sure enough, there is someone else further out, calling for help and about to go under. Kate and Charlie take an exhausted Boone from Jack at the breakwater and Jack turns around and dives right back in. But we widen out we see the awful truth laid out before us. Jack can swim as hard as he wants… but there is no one left to save.

Back on the beach, while Kate is trying to prevent Jack from beating himself up for the life he didn't save, Jack sees the man in the suit standing in the water. When he asks Kate if she saw him too, Kate recognizes that Jack's exhausted and asks how long it's been since he slept.

Meanwhile, Sawyer has begun his own business, providing luxuries to the survivors from the stash of goodies he collected from the wreckage and as the prices reflect, he's got the market cornered in that department. "But don't worry", he tells Shannon…he'll take a check.

Hurley and Charlie tell Jack that they are dangerously low on water. It hasn't rained in a few days and there are 47 people to take care of. Jack has to point out the mathematical error. Better make that 46. They want Jack to decide what should be done, but he wants no part of it.

In FLASHBACK we see young Jack in his father's study receiving a very important lesson on what it takes to be a leader. He tells Jack he doesn't have it. And while that might not be the easiest lesson to learn, Jack needs to know there are consequences for getting involved in other people's business. Consequences like that shiner on his eye.

Back in real time, Jack is speaking with Boone when he sees the man in the suit again. This time, he's not going to let him get away. He races off into the woods and sees the man standing there with his back turned. When he turns around, the shock knocks Jack right off his feet because the man in the suit looks an awful lot like his FATHER!

On the beach, the heat and the lack of water are taking their toll. When Claire faints, the others rally to her side, but when they go to give her some of the precious water, they make a frightening discovery — it's all gone — stolen! Locke offers to go into the jungle to find more — just enough to keep Claire going.

IN FLASHBACK, we see Jack back in the same study, but he's older now - the Jack we know on the island. His mother tells him that his father is missing and that it's Jack's fault. She tells him to go and bring his father back home. Jack asks his mother where he is. She answers, Australia.

In the jungle, Jack races after the man in the suit. Just as he is getting close, he trips and falls down an incline, barely catching himself on a vine before falling off a cliff. He hangs there, slowly losing his grip on the vine. But just before he falls to the rocks below, a hand comes over and pulls him up. It's Locke! He tells Jack that the others are all looking to him to tell them what to do. Jack doesn't want the job and tells Locke about his hallucinations. Locke tells Jack that he should consider the possibility he is not hallucinating. But that's impossible. Locke tells him that possible is a relative term… especially on this island.

Back at the beach, Sayid and Kate catch Sun with a bottle of water. When they learn she got it from Sawyer, they confront him about stealing their supply. Turns out he didn't do it and he can prove it — he made a trade with Jin, "cave-man style". As Charlie does his best to comfort Claire, we wonder how long she can hang on.

In FLASHBACK, Jack finally catches up with his father in Australia…in the morgue. Back in reality, Jack wipes away his tears as he sits alone in the jungle struggling with the loss all over again. Suddenly, the man in the suit crosses by again. Jack follows him through the dark and into an undiscovered part of the island where Jack discovers fresh water and a COFFIN.

In the final FLASHBACK, we learn that Jack put his father's coffin on the plane to fly back to California for the funeral. In real time, Jack finds that the coffin is EMPTY. In a fit of frustration at not being able to bury his father and the pure exhaustion that may be causing him to hallucinate, he destroys the coffin.

Back at the beach the water thief is caught. It was Boone! And just as the mob is about to have at him, Jack returns to the scene. He tells them they can't go on like this. It's been six days and rescue hasn't come, they have to start accepting the idea that it may never come. He tells them about the water he found in the jungle and explains to them all that things have to change or more people are going to die. "If we can't live together, we're going to die alone."

[linttrap]

What happened to the re-run of Episode 3? Why did they skip it? Or did it air a different night and I missed it?

Is it in the missing episode that Locke finds the dog Vincent but lets Mike take the credit with Walt for getting Vincent back?

I am getting more of my friends to watch it and now there is a piece missing for them!! Frustrating...

Linttrap

[rb.]

linttrap, they didn't rerun it this time. According to ABC's schedule, where I get the summaries, next week will be Mothman and Confidence Man. I pulled and printed the summaries of Tabula Rasa (Kate's story) and House of the Rising Sun (Sun and Jin's story) for my mom. They are the two missing in between the ones being shown this week and next.

[Mary]

Okay, in the 8pm episode last night Jack was talking to the woman who lost her husband. Her name? ROSE! There's something about the color red in this show and I just can't figure it out. (I know, I'm obsessed :) ) Also Claire's necklace is dark red.

Locke is excellent! I'd want him by my side at all times :rolleyes:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[linttrap]

According to the ABC message boards where Lost is being dissected into microns, each character's name has symbolic meaning.

Did you know that Jack's last name is Shepherd?

John Locke is too obvious.

Danielle's last name is Rousseau...contrast that to Locke!

Claire, the good. Madonna figure.

So, what is the significance of Boone, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin (Djinn or Genie???), Sun (archetypal Sun?)

Thoughts anyone? And what role exactly is to be Shannon's?

Some of the characters' last names have not been revealed and may be the significant part of their name. Has Charlie's last name been mentioned? What about the last names of Michael and Walt?

Have you all read the Diary on the ABC site? Go here:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html

Who is writing it? It seemed like it was Shannon to me, but believe me, I could be so wrong about that!

Someone on ABC noticed that Ethan was in last night's episode gathering wood. Was he noticed by anyone in any of the previous episodes? Does anyone remember his last name? It has been mentioned, but I don't recall it. Do we need to watch for Ethan sightings...like Where's Waldo?

Linttrap

[Cabin Fever]

Isn't Ethan's last name Rom?

[y2kmisfit]

Isn't Ethan's last name Rom?
Right you are.

And Hurley's name isn't really Hurley.

[Mary]

TV guide said "Ethan Rom" is an anagram for OTHER MAN. And that ALL other names have similar meanings.

Wish I knew the little guys last name WALT? Remember, his other father said he was the Luckiest Person He Ever Knew. Hmm...

John Locke? Don't quite get what his name could mean except the obvious lock that needs a key--- He's (Locke) has looked into the Eyes Of The Island and understands. Will he tell anyone? That remains to be seen. Maybe everyone has to look into the Island's Eyes to realize what it is all about.

Just a thought...

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[Brooks]

John Locke - English empiricist philosopher (1632 - 1704) - All knowledge is derived from sensory experience - Authority derives solely from the consent of the governed - and other views

http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/phil/philo/phils/locke.html

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563503/John_Locke.html

[rb.]

Anyone looking for episodes of Lost that they've missed, or missed taping, they are up at Limewire. For anyone who doesn't know, Limewire is sort of like Napster. Beware when doing the search for the title Lost. Lots of porn comes up in the results. Most Lost titles come up with 01 and 0x (ie. 08). I'm assuming thats the season and ep #s. Files are about 350 MB, and the file format is avi. Additional info that comes up when you put your cursor over the title will give a time of 42 mins. and some seconds. Apparently quality is good.

[rb.]

Just noticed, it's better to search Limewire with the episode name. Bypasses the porn. Here's the list for anyone interested.

Episode 1 - Pilot
Episode 2 - Pilot part 2
Episode 3 - Tabula Rasa (missing from reruns)
Episode 4 - Walkabout
Episode 5 - White Rabbit
Episode 6 - House of the Rising Sun (missing from reruns)
Episode 7 - The Moth
Episode 8 - Confidence Man
Episode 9 - Solitary (missing from reruns)
Episode 10- Raised by another (missing from reruns)
Episode 11- All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues (missing from reruns)

[y2kmisfit]

Anyone looking for episodes of Lost that they've missed, or missed taping, they are up at Limewire. For anyone who doesn't know, Limewire is sort of like Napster. Beware when doing the search for the title Lost. Lots of porn comes up in the results. Most Lost titles come up with 01 and 0x (ie. 08). I'm assuming thats the season and ep #s. Files are about 350 MB, and the file format is avi. Additional info that comes up when you put your cursor over the title will give a time of 42 mins. and some seconds. Apparently quality is good.

rb- thanks, I will check it out!

[rb.]

Anyone who wants to use Limewire to download the missing (or all) episodes, I highly recommend it. I've currently got three of them, two more downloading right now. Excellent quality, and no commercials. DD just watched Tabula Rasa on the computer, and is thrilled to be catching up.

Now that I've got the computer back, time to get back to our discussion summary.

[rb.]

Episode 5 White Rabbit

SPECULATION / DISCUSSION

-Jack’s mystery man in the forest/jungle is his father!
-Is Locke the finder of all things lost? He found Vincent the dog, and he’s helping Jack find himself.
-Locke looked into the eye of the island and what he saw was good (quote was “beautiful”)
-does this mean that in the end, the survivors will be better people?
-will they find out who they really are, and make the world a better place because of it?
-Locke is going to be the “savior” or saving grace of the group in the end, but may not be able to save himself
-Charlie’s tattoo was zoomed in on when he was with Claire. Long saying. Is it a clue from the writers? Something about living.
-something about crying too(tattoo)
-it seems Jack’s father led him to the waterfall
-it seems that people are turning into the opposite of what they were in life before the crash
-which girl drowned? (one we hadn’t really been introduced to)
-so now we know why Jack was on the flight. (Searching for his father)
-Charlie's tattoo says "Living is easier with your eyes shut" (a good description of the sheeple)
-level of survival skills or mentality, and leadership seems lacking. After 6 days, they should have a dependable source of water, be gathering plants for food. At least Locke can kill a boar, and Jin can repeatedly get fish. Shelter is only one tent and a plane wing. Is this a fair showing of the reality of the situation?
-Is the above complaint why Charlie’s tattoo was zoomed in on? Both viewers and characters are becoming annoyed at the lack of apparent organization for the long term. That was somewhat of a theme in this episode.
-appears that most survivors are from middle class to wealthy backgrounds. Most are probably city people and some have “servants” of some kind like personal shoppers or bodyguards. If this is the case, it makes sense for many of them to just sit and wait for their rescuers.
-surely some of the survivors have previous experience in life to help them survive
-LOST Tops the Charts and Gets A New Character!!!

For four weeks in a row (all four of its telecasts), Lost has been the No. 1 program in its hour among viewers and young adults. On its most recent telecast (10/13/04), Lost ranked as the No. 1 TV program of the night in Total Viewers and Adults 18-49. In addition, on the same night the new drama drew its largest overall audience since its debut episode (9/22/04) and hit series highs in Adults 18-49, Adults 18-34, Teens 12-17 and Kids 2-11. Compared to the first four weeks of last season, Lost has improved the hour for ABC by 6.1 million viewers (17.6 million vs. 11.5 million) and by 40% in Adults 18-49 (6.6/18 vs. 4.7/13). (from comingsoon.net)

William Mapother told SCI FI Wire that he will appear in upcoming episodes of the ABC SF series Lost, playing a mysterious character named Ethan, but he added that he can't reveal many details. "I've thought about this, and frankly, I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't inadvertently reveal something important," Mapother said in an interview. "I can only imagine the horrors they'd subject my character to if I squawked." He added, "Worse than killing me, they'll write me off if I spill anything." (from SciFi Wire)
(2:56 PM)
http://www.lost-tv.com/
-Ethan probably won’t last too long as the above article states "he will appear in upcoming episodes”
-does this mean he’ll be mysterious and just appear when needed? A guide to the survivors, but in a sinister way? Will he draw them into darkness? could help in a less natural way in decreasing the number of survivors.
-interesting that there’s nothing Mapother can say about the character that won’t give something away
-when Jack’s father appeared, did anyone else think that they all died in the crash? Are they, or the island in a time warp? Wouldn’t that be an interesting twist.
-why wasn’t Jack’s dad in the casket?
-What did Locke mean when he told Jack that he’d looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful? That the island is a magical place. That the others can feel it but don’t want to acknowledge it?
-did Jack’s dad lead him to the water they desperately need?
-Re: Ethan, don't forget that anyone coming into the show could be coming in through the flashbacks, and not necessarily be on the island.
-Jack's father not in the casket, that was weird. I thought maybe they just put the casket on the plane, not the body, since the airline worker was talking about the body not yet cleared to leave Australia. Dunno. I also thought about them all being dead. Doesn't work for me, though.
-either way, Ethan appears to be very important to the crux of the show, judging by the interview he gave

[rb.]

Tonight they are supposed to be running episodes 7 and 8, Charlie and Sawyer's episodes. I'll post the past discussion of eps 6, 7 and 8 this evening. Gotta' give the computer back to the kids for a while. :(

[Mary]

John Locke - English empiricist philosopher (1632 - 1704) - All knowledge is derived from sensory experience - Authority derives solely from the consent of the governed - and other views

http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/phil/philo/phils/locke.html

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563503/John_Locke.html


Thanks Brooks! Now we have two philosophers in the show: Locke & Danielle, Jack Shepard & Sawyer are sorta obvious :)

Last night I only watched Charlie's show (don't know his last name -- and what is the name of his band?) But I did notice the night Charlie decided to heroin for the first time, There were RED plastic cups all over the "party" (?) table.

Red all over the place
Two Philosophers
A Shepard
A Trouble Maker (Tom Sawyer)
An Army brat - Kate - who's on the run for some reason

We need more last names.

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[SageTheRage]

Charlie's band is "Drive Shaft" (perhaps one word: driveshaft???)
I don't know his last name though.

And wasn't it determined that Sawyer's name isn't really Sawyer? I'm referring to the fact that Kate realized the letter he keeps re-reading isn't "TO" him but rather "FROM" him, right? Keep in mind, the sticker on the envelope dated it as having been sent during TN Bicentennial which rendered "Sawyer" about 8-9 yrs. old...Remember I said that his flashback was actually HIM as that small child who came into the living room when the deal was going down between the parents & "Sawyer". I'm telling ya, I still stick to that theory although many of you think I'm crazy :P

Speaking of red being all about...IIRC, wasn't the handle on the knife that Locke gave to Sayid for protection after his assault a red one?

The preview of next week's episode looked quite intriguing. Whose legs do you suppose those were that were dangling from a snare? I noticed the wearer had on white sox and low-cut blk soft boot type shoes. Isn't that what Kate's been wearing? The discovery of that suitcase underwater from what I gathered was either Kate's or that of the marshall that had her in custody given the intense dialog exchange between her & Jack afterwards regarding her "past".

Can't wait!!! :yes:

[Mary]

Sage, YES, Driveshaft. Okay, no clues there (yet). :D

I didn't see the preview for next weeks show. We talk waaay too much through this show :rolleyes: Sounds great--of course!

ah well, have to wait an entire week now -- bummer :(

Mary (no garden, no lamb) Happy New Year everyone--be good if you have to or if someone is watching :beamme:

[rb.]

Promo clips for ep. 12 (next week's) can be viewed here

http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/

[rb.]

In the combo Alias/Lost promo at the above link, I didn't see a snare, just a leg going up. The leg in quite skinny, and the foot pretty small. Boone is yelling NO! Shannon? Did you see a snare, Sage?

And why is Kate crying so hard, what's in the suitcase? :eek: :D

[rb.]

********SPOILER BELOW, DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU.******** :D

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19034

Learn When Hurley’s Secret Origin Airs!!


I am – Hercules!!

“Hurley’s just a nickname I have. Why? I’m not tellin’.”

“Back home? I’m known as something of a warrior myself.”

“I am very good. I took 17th in a tournament once.”

“Lost” returns from its month-long hiatus on Jan. 5 (the first episode of 2005 leads into the fourth-season premiere of “Alias”), and there’s loads of intriguing elements to which we can look forward. Claire and her abductor will remain hidden, Jin’s wife will vanish, the giant monster will return in three episodes, we’ll learn a shocking truth about Shannon and Boone’s past, and Drew Goddard is scripting the next Sawyer-centric ‘sode.

How things appear to shake out now, flashback-wise:

1.1/2 Flight’s End
1.3 Kate
1.4 Locke
1.5 Jack
1.6 Jim & Sun
1.7 Charlie
1.8 Sawyer
1.9 Sayid
1.10 Claire
1.11 Jack II
1.12 Kate II
1.13 Boone & Shannon
1.14 Michael & Walt
1.15 Charlie II
1.16 Sawyer II?
1.17 ?
1.18 Hurley

That’s right. Hurley will be the last of the regulars to get a flashback episode. And he doesn’t get it until Jack, Kate, Charlie and likely Sawyer have had two. Series co-creator Damon Lindelof visited the Fuselage fansite Tuesday night and promised we’d get “a SHOCKER of a flashback” for young Hugo Reyes.

So what could be so shocking about Hurley? Some theories:

* COP. Were it not for the sluggish investigative abilities he’s demonstrated, one could see Hurley in Australia on the trail of a drug kingpin.
* WALL STREET LAWYER. In a suit and a ponytail, his savant-like legal savvy has saved the tobacco industry billions.
* MICROSOFT MILLIONAIRE. He’s been writing code for Bill Gates since he was a teen, and has accumulated many Microsoft stock options.
* TRUST FUND BABY. Don’t let his hair fool you. When he's not jetting to Australia for dogshows, he’s an undefeated polo champion.
* CLERGYMAN. Outreach minister in Venice, Calif.
* SABOTEUR. We saw Hurley on the plane behind Jack in the pilot. What if he sabotaged the plane, aware somehow that he would survive its crash?
* PORN STAR. Producers seeking tha more svelt Ron Jeremy had him hard at work, porking for pay.
* JOCKEY. He’s let himself go a little following a career-ending back injury, but it turns out he’s still the winningest rider alive.

[Mary]

rb,

Thanks for the link / info ... you're a hoot! :D And imaginative too (heh, heh, heh)

I think Hurley's probably undercover CIA (why not, I mean Wall Street Tycoon, hmmm :) )

cant wait, cant wait, cant...err, have to wait, have to... :rolleyes:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool: <--- version of tinfoil hat here at A.N's

[rb.]

Episode 6 House of the Rising Sun

DISCUSSION / SPECULATION
-does Locke make things happen, or is he able to see into the future? Like Charlie’s guitar being above them when Locke had told him he’d find it again.
-Digging in at the caves vs. remaining on the beach in view of potential rescuers: best to rotate out. Benefits of protection in the caves and more comfort. Leaves a watch 24 hours on the beach.
-interesting story for Jin and Sun, like Korean mafia
-what killed the two skeletons laying next to the water source? No trauma evident per Jack. Could it be the water?
-regarding the skeletons, probably time took its toll, living in harsh conditions, and they possibly had no survival skills
-did Adam and Eve travel by personal aircraft, or a commercial jetliner like our survivors?
-ominous that Jack estimates the bodies have been there about 40 or 50 years. Kate’s argument about staying visible to possible rescuers makes more sense given that fact.
-don’t think the forest inhabitant is a “thing”. Perhaps a metaphorical thing, like fear, chance, fate, good, evil. What they each make of it. Is the island delivering the wishes of the survivors?
-Purgatory? Jack’s dad appears to him, and he deals with his leadership issue. His dad repeatedly told him he didn’t have what it took to make leadership decisions, but now he has to.
-Locke’s wish, or destiny, was his survivalist trip, as related in his backstory. He was thinking it would be Australia, but it ended up the island. Was his inner spirit guiding him to prepare because he was going to need it, not out of desire, but to survive?
-Sun appears to want to get away from her controlling father and the tainted spirit of her husband. Is she now getting the wish, and will be able to start anew?
-don’t know what’s going on with Michael except that he will get to make up lost time with his son.
-the dog...??
-Sayid likely has good motives, he’s likable and will be useful.
-Is the cave the burial place of the group that the woman who originated the distress message belonged to? Could the group who heard the message be staying on the beach because they are afraid to go to the caves? Do they know they died there one by one?
-Charlie gets to give up his drugs and get back his oh-so-important music, via his guitar. Locke finds both the guitar for him, and gets him to hand over his drugs, in addition to providing help to kick the habit.
-the Thing was able to yank the pilot out of the cockpit, smashing him around the nose of the plane, and left him in a tree.
-Locke just seems to be more observant than others and thinks more, re: Charlie’s guitar. The plane came apart in the air, but Charlie never looked up. Belongings would be found not just on the ground.
-Locke makes the dog whistle,using his head, but others use their bodies to look for the dog. Not mystical, just common sense.
-is the wreckage by the waterfall from the recent crash or an earlier one? Are Adam and Eve from a previous crash, or were they always there?
-maybe Sun’s wish is not to leave Jin, but to have him become the person he was when they first married?
-where did Claire go?
-Locke is a great mystery.
-the wreckage at the caves seems to be from the jet, since that’s the area that Charlie’s guitar was in.
-when the skeletons where discovered, they wondered if they were from a shipwreck or plane crash
-Jacks’ father’s casket is there by the waterfall and caves
-perhaps the island is a time vortex, passing either slower or faster than the rest of the world
-that Locke said “you have to give something to the island” is strange, he’s an interesting character
-digging in with the group near the fresh water would be good. Teams of 2 or 4 should be sent to keep the fire going everyday, and spell out the word Help on the beach
-don’t they all seem to be misfits?
-the characters seem to dovetail, they’ve all had their troubles and tribulations, especially their reasons for being on the plane.
-seems the island wanted these specific people, and they need to be there.
-this episode made me cry
-these characters don’t have a clue, their too slow in providing themselves shelter, some living by the fresh water, but the ocean is needed as a food supply, they can’t just hunt boar
-no one has explored the island to see if there are other inhabitants, what if there’s a town at the other end?
-ditto on the vortex
-haven’t these guys ever watched Survivor?? :lol:
-the DGIs are annoying, get it together!!
-this, of course, won’t stop us from watching

[SageTheRage]

Did you see a snare, Sage?

Yes on saw a snare - well, at least I'm pretty sure I did :confused: IIRC, it was more of a "sense" of the woman being caught up into a snare as there was a loud rustling noise as the scenes from next week were being shown and right after the rustle there was the legs dangling down as I described...legs of someone small, thin build, white sox and blk low-cut soft boot style shoes.

Oh, and Mary - we *do* have a tinfoil icon here at CE :tinfoil:

[rb.]

:lol:Mary, I'd love to take credit for that humourous stuff, but it ain't me! :D

Personally, I think Hurley is a gamer (warrior comment), a hacker, or he writes code. Course, they'll prove me wrong and make him a teacher or something, probably.

ARGH! I'm having a hard time waiting til next Wednesday. ;)

[rb.]

Thanks, Sage. I only heard/saw Boone scream, then one small leg rising in the air.

[Mary]

Personally, I think Hurley is a gamer (warrior comment), a hacker, or he writes code. ;)

OF COURSE!!! Brilliant. I agree. (no really, i do :) )

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool: --- likes this version, looks as skeptical as i sometimes feel ;)

[y2kmisfit]

13 more hours!!

[Mary]

heheheheh...

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[SageTheRage]

:drool: pant pant :drool: pant pant :drool:

[Arubi]

StR,

I agree, can't wait :drool: (course I'll have to tape, this coming storm better not mess it up)

My guess on Hurley, CLERGYMAN, mainly because of his overall people skills and organization ways. :)

[SageTheRage]

As for Hurley I'm sorta going back to our discussions on names all have a specific meaning. I know it's been brought up that "Hurley" might not actually be his real name but then again, "Sawyer" isn't really Sawyer's name is it? Or is it?

Anyway, also thinking back to the golf course episode. If you think about it, that particular segment was just sorta thrown in there and then dropped. It was and then it was no more. They don't even talk about it anymore let alone use the course.

He hasn't lent his skills (if he indeed has any - or else he's keeping them under very tight wrap) in any meaningful level to survival on the island aside from that golf course. Another reason my thoughts run along a sports vein for him.

Since everything on the show has a meaning and is a clue of some sort, my guess on Hurley would be that he's some sort of gamer or sportsman perhaps? Maybe an athlete wash-out? A case of an injury that ended his career while in the minor leagues and the use of steroid meds made him the stature he is today???? The name "hurl" implies throw.
IIRC, isn't "hurling" an Olympic event with Scottish origins? Maybe he was a contender at some point in his life?

Just my :2cents: for FWIW. His flashback is due to come up soon so we'll find out just how far off "the mark" I am.

[Mary]

Hey all,

DH thinks Hurley was named that because he was a party animal in school. Lots of beer would explain the girth.

I do like the whole priest thing though.

I don't know what Sawyer's name is, I do know on the first show (or the 2nd) Jack standing beside Kate directly looked at him and said "Sawyer" But you never really know, do you?

The thing that bums me out is it's a TWO HOUR show and I get up at 5am. So I'll have to stay awake, watch while taping, be cranky in the morning, forget most of it and be glad I taped it.

One more thing for now: Does anyone know what happened to Locke 4 years ago that crippled him? I just can't get him out of my mind :love:

Mary (no garden, no lamb) :cool:

[Brooks]

The thing that bums me out is it's a TWO HOUR show and I get up at 5am.

I hear you on the 5 am thingy, but the listing I see for tonight is for 8 to 9 pm, just one hour. Where are you seeing 2