[H2O]

If we allow this to go on, by our own War on these people, then are we not
partly responsible?
To do nothing is to alow it !

Lack of medical,food,clean water and maybe a little depleted uranium to push them over the edge, uh..

I am not pointing at any of you, just the way it seems.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/havoc_on_children.htm

[Pepper]

If we allow this to go on, by our own War on these people, then are we not
partly responsible?

As you say, this is war. In every war ever fought, the innocent suffer. The weak die, the strong surrive. There is nothing fair in this world today. There are more wrongs than rights. It is not only the innocent children dying over there, so are our troups. They are giving their lives to protect our country, and free Iraq from a horrible dictator. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do rather it is popular or not. That is what are troups are doing.


To do nothing is to alow it !

I am curious. What are you doing? I'm not being a smartass, I seriously would like to hear what your doing. I personally, pray for peace. I pray for our troups safety, and I pray for the innocent Iraq people. I believe in the power of prayer.


Lack of medical,food,clean water and maybe a little depleted uranium to push them over the edge, uh..

If we look out our back door we can see the same thing in America. So many without health care, food, clean water, maybe not depeleted uranium, but plenty of other dangerous chemicals, pollutions, etc....



I am not pointing at any of you, just the way it seems.

As I stated above, look out your back door, you can find most of the same things going on here at home. If you would like a place to point, there are many children in America who need the same attention as the children in Iraq.
Point at them, so they can get the attention they deserve too.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/havoc_on_children.htm
That is a heart wrenching picture. A mother's worse nightmare. We have children just like that here at home. You don't have to look far for them either.

Pepper

[CanadaSue]

What's difficult to ascertain is what shape Ira's children were in while SH was in power. Many NGOs spoke of high rates of preventable illness but Iraq certainly didn't publish stats. I have no doubt they're in rough shape now but worse? I honestly don't know.

Similar situations exist in many nations - at war or not. Look at the USSR. While the state had an imposed health care system, some always had better access. Medicine was seen as a second rate job & the training in sound science was often lacking. If you worked in biowarfare research you had access to the latest western journals discussing research & new findings. Not so if you were a doctor caring for people, especially ordinary people.

There were mandatory child vax programs but most training the docs recieved in what vaxes were & how they worked was unbelievably out of whack with what the rest of the medical world knew. You could get an exemption if your child was 'tired' or pale & many parents did. For many, no problems but in certain regions that was more common than vax was. Guess where outbreaks started?

But that we have to take anecdotally asUSSR 'health stats' were a complete crock. They kept their neonatal death rates artifically low for example by often NOT classifying death DRING birth as anything but a 'late' miscarriage' & after a few days surprise! babies were no longer considered newborns. They had all sorts of interesting ways to mess with data yet compared to today, care was reasonable.

Today, good luck getting ANY data out of there - I'm sure it's available but I can't seem to find it. What's reported is that public health has essentially collpased - little medication is available in many areas, fre vaxes as well. I'd love to get more data on their various phages. They always had good successes with phages, (virus that attack BACTERIA) & unfortunately western medicine tended to poo poo the idea. Yet Russians succssfully used qite a number of them & there is lots of potential with them.

[FrmlyZ]

CS:

I don't know where you got the information on phage treatment for bacterial diseases. For most bacteria, it takes only a few replication cycles before the whole population is resistant. You can take a susceptible population, mix it with phage, pour an overlay and, depending on the growth rate see plaques in a day or so. In another day, you will see colonies in the middle of the plaques. Those are colonies of resistant bacteria.

I know a number of biologists from the former USSR. From their descriptions of the research system, I wouldn't, necessarily, pay too much attention to what was published there.

Best Wishes,,,,,

Z

[H2O]

Well anyway, as for my belief system as a christian, ( one whom follows Christ the Son of God Almighty ). There can be no doubt that this action in Iraq is already cost more grief than the former dictatorship. There still is not an end to it and its only proving to unite many Muslums against the USA.
This is likly the globalist plan anyway. Some of you will not understand what I mean about there plan. Never the less by the time the truth comes out about the real reasons we and ( The Bush's and cronneys ) are in Iraq and the total damage assisment is completed, the cost will prove to have been unworthy and a waste of lives. This once great and Christian counrty ( USA ) will be paying for this in many ways, like soldiers disabilities by the tens of thousands and world oppiniun of the USA. There is and always have been vast amounts of oil in Alaska and the real threat to the USA is still the former USSR and China. If you are not a Christian than perhasps you may not agree with me about this war, but it is most assuredly not worth it. Most people do not know the facts about the depleted Uranium. The 1st Gulf War involed about 580,000 troops out of which 517,000 are disabled do to Depleted Uranium amunitions. I have searched the deal out on this DU bussiness and if you have not please save your guesses till you do all the research.

[goatlady]

It's my understanding that things like this will happen, will continue to happen, and will happen worse in the coming times. Why rail against and get angry about situations which were foretold were going to happen and, in fact, must happen prior to the "return" of Christ? Why would you want to try change the course of prophecy and actively work against the plans laid out long ago? Just wondering/musing here.

[Anita]

There is and always have been vast amounts of oil in Alaska

I agree with you about the war on Iraq, but there isn't enough oil in Alaska to warrant the effort [from what *I*'ve read]. Up to 10 years of effort to provide a 6-month reprieve is what *I*'ve seen, and the destruction of the ecosystem is immeasurable.

Goatlady: Guessed you missed a part of your sacred script: No man knows the Time when the Lord will return.

Matt 24:35-36
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(KJV)

[Anita]

The majority of Mankind has ALWAYS risen up against injustices, has NEVER simply rolled over and said, "These things were prophesized, so we shouldn't stand up and fight them." Don't know how old you were, but Martin Luther King (http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1204-04.htm) was a Christian who lived through hard times, and HE didn't give up and suggest that there should be no attempt at correction.

[H2O]

News Flash:There is a vast amount of OIL all ready tapped by the Pipe line.
The estimates are we will not run it dry for decades. But the OIL that we get from the Alaskian Pipie/fields is all being sold out of the USA, like Japan..
There is much more about the Alaskian Oil than is made public, through the news media. A simple search will show numerous storiess/reports...

Hope ya wire the OIL shammmmmmmm.... :) :yes:

[FrmlyZ]

H2O:

" But the OIL that we get from the Alaskian Pipie/fields is all being sold out of the USA, like Japan."

You are correct and there is a reason. Not all refineries are the same. Some, like those at March Point in Anacortes, WA, can handle the heavy crude from Alaska. Most can't. Therefore it is sold to Japan where it can be refined and is replaced with lighter crude from other parts of the world.

Best Wishes,,,,,,

Z

[goatlady]

Anita, No I did not skip those verses, but I PERSONALLY believe we are entering the prophisized end times so what I post is based on my PERSONAL beliefs. I do believe the main thrust of what I previously posted was why get angry and rant? That does not mean not to attempt to do anything, just save the energy you spend on anger and channel it more productively. I have learned in my looooog lifetime that it's a waste of time to rant and rave and get angry about an existing situation you have absolutely no control over and especially if, like me, you are in no power position to really effect a change. In my experience, working quietly, persistently, and without a lot of hoo-ha-ha many times effects small changes which can have a ripple effect. Martin Luther King spent a long time building his base of support before he started his crusade, he planned wisely, and, for the most part, was successful because of his message AND it's planned delivery system.

[Anita]

but I PERSONALLY believe we are entering the prophisized end times so what I post is based on my PERSONAL beliefs.

Mebbe the poster is one of the Christians who don't agree with you???

I agree with you about the fruitlessness of ranting and raving, but it looked to me like the poster was suggesting some action, and it looked to me like you were saying that any action would forestall the goal that YOU desire.

[goatlady]

I certainly do not desire any disasterous goals, Anita. Just because I believe something does not mean I desire it. I was just wondering if the original poster had thought of a POSSIBLE bigger picture/plan, is all. Suggesting SOME action does not suggest any action at all. I would be more open to a concrete suggestion rather than just saying "To do nothing is to alow it !"

[H2O]

You are correct and there is a reason. Not all refineries are the same. Some, like those at March Point in Anacortes, WA, can handle the heavy crude from Alaska. Most can't. Therefore it is sold to Japan where it can be refined and is replaced with lighter crude from other parts of the world.

Best Wishes,,,,,,

Z
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I do not know about the refineries, But even if that is true,What is cheaper
Thousands of lives? Or just build a better refinery ! You see, there real reasons for this WAR crap is, those whom seek POWER-WEALTH and they believe that it is there calling to reduce the World populations and control every aspect of our lives to there end. This may seem like a tinfoil hat deal to you, I don't know. But I have been with some of these types and they do seek to do harm and they use every kind of dis-info. & technology they can to fool the people into thinking they are doing good !
Perhasp? You maybe suffering the effects of Brain Washing and Mind control? Not trying to push your buttons, but the information is out there if you will only look it over. Some people just do not want to know how Evil and corrupt the P,T,B are ! :yes: