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01-04-2005, 11:02 PM

I am thinking this thread is worthy of this infomation about the Orchud plant.

Now I am only putting this information here because it seems to fit.
I hope it is along the intent of your thread SmartAZ...(big smile)

The Orchid has thousands of species and I have information on this topic and others that lean towards proof of Creation ! There will always be those whom disagree, but I think if they just spend the time to learn about the fantastic Orchid plant, they will see that it indeed looks like it could have never evolved.
Now it is aesy to run out to the search engines and gather opposing view points. But I have spent the time to read through both sides and I admit that its not absolute proof, but it is looking real good for creationist.

Here below are some links and gathered information. I do have alot of other data on my PC, but when I saved it I had no intent to use it for any type of story or post.. It was just for me. So this below is out there for you to look over and decide for yourself, can the thousands of different type's of Orchids actually evolved from protiens?

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The Creationist view...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/orchids.asp
There is no evidence whatsoever that flowering plants evolved. Charles Darwin himself once commented: 'Nothing is more extraordinary in the history of the vegetable kingdom, as it seems to me, than the apparently very sudden and abrupt development of the higher plants.' 1 The orchid family is one of the largest plant families, with about 30,000 species. Orchids come in many shapes and sizes, the best known probably being the insect–mimicking species. Many of these mimics have very ingenious ways of attracting pollinating insects, appealing to the senses of both sight and smell. Can evolution explain the origin of these mechanisms?

Contrivances

Darwin was fascinated by orchids; in his Origin of Species he mentioned the 'inexhaustible number of contrivances' by which orchids ensure their pollination, pointing out that these would have entailed changes in every part of the flower.2 However, Darwin did not attempt to explain how natural selection could gradually produce flowers that resemble insects so perfectly that the insects themselves are fooled. He merely described these structures as 'the sum of many inherited changes', which is not an explanation, merely an opinion.

Modern–day evolutionists have no convincing explanation, either, simply claiming that flowers and insects have evolved simultaneously to be complementary to each other. The late Gordon Rattray Taylor was an evolutionist, who, nonetheless, posed many difficult questions about the theory. Concerning orchids, he wrote: 'Many of the variations in the form of orchids can have little or no selective value; or, at least, one variant is not more advantageous than another.' 3 He also wrote: 'The Lady's Slipper Orchid has an immensely complicated system of fertilization—and is on the verge of extinction.' 4

Intricate Design

The intricate design of many orchids belies the idea that they slowly evolved. Since the whole purpose of their sophisticated machinery is to ensure the continuation of the species through pollination, and since without pollination the species would become extinct, it follows that every part of this apparatus needed to be in place and working right from the start.

If an orchid needed to look like a bee or other insect in order to attract a pollinator, then until it bore a significant resemblance the insect would not be interested.
Amazing Mechanism

One of the most amazing members of the orchid family is the Bucket Orchid, which comes in two species, Coryanthes speciosa and Stanhopea grandiflora. These orchids have an intricate mechanism by which bees are attracted, trapped, and then released. Bucket orchids are pollinated by the males of two species of bee—Euglossa meriana and Euglossa cordata—which themselves are specially designed for the task.

Attracted in the first instance by the smell of nectar emanating from the orchid, the bee gathers from the surface of the flower a liquid which will make him attractive to female bees. These bees have collecting organs on their modified forelegs which pass the odour to pockets in the hind legs, from which it can be released to attract females for mating.

The surface of the orchid is slimy, which causes the bee to slip and fall into the 'bucket' that contains a pool of liquid dripping from a gland above. The only way the bee can escape is through a tunnel, and there is a convenient step leading from the pool of liquid to the tunnel entrance.

As the bee is about to escape from the tunnel, the walls of the tunnel contract, gripping the bee. The plant's mechanism then glues two pollen sacs to the bee's back, and after allowing time for the glue to dry, releases it. If the bee then flies to another bucket orchid, the same process will take place, except that this time, when the bee attempts to leave the tunnel, a hook in the roof of the tunnel removes the pollen sacs, and the fertilization process is completed!

Correct Sequence

The bucket orchid's mechanism involves at least five separate functions, which must work in the correct sequence—attracting the bee, causing it to fall into the bucket, the provision of the gland to keep the bucket 'topped up' with liquid, provision of a tunnel exit, and the devices for attachment and removal of the pollen sacs. If any part of the mechanism were missing, or incomplete, the plant could not be fertilized. The origin of the bucket orchid's wonderful and ingenious machinery is surely fatal to the theory of gradual evolution.

These flowers must have been created and designed to operate this way from the very beginning, and bear abundant witness to the design and power of God, the Creator.
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Here is a great source to learn about the Orchid
Orchids AtoZ-- your definitive source for information on orchid genera. We have strived to ensure that the information presented here is accurate and complete. Noted authorities have submitted content for the genera for which they are noted assuring you the best information available.

The easy-to-use interface makes browsing genera fast and easy. Each page features thumbnail images of one or more species. Clicking on a thumbnail will generate a pop-up window with a full-size image. Windows are re-sizeable. Please close each window before proceeding. Clicking on the phoenetic spelling of the genus name will play a sound file of the spoken name. A sound card & speakers are required for this feature. Depending on your browser version and settings, certain adjustments may be required.
http://orchidweb.org/orchids/az/index.html
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Symbiotic Relationships:

http://www.delayedreaction.com/toc/evocreation.html

There is an orchid in Australia that replicates a female ichnumid wasp which exists in the same region as the orchid. The wasp and orchid have a special relationship. The male wasps hatch 30 days before the females. This happens to be when the orchids are ready for pollenation. Mistaking the orchids for female wasps, the male ichnumids attempt procreation with the orchids, thereby pollenating them. After a month or so has passed and the orchids have had time to be pollenated, the female wasps hatch. The male ichnumids then return their attention to their own species.
If this scenario were the only symbiotic relationship of its kind it might be feasible to rationalize it's existence within the framework of evolution, however, there are literally thousands of similar relationships between species.

Another example is the Trogon bird in Costa Rica which makes it's dwelling in a hornet's nest. The hornet, known for it's ferocity, actually builds the nest with the capacity to accomodate the bird. When the Trogon finds a hornet's nest to occupy, it moves in, lays and hatches it's eggs within the nest coexisting with and feeding upon the hornets as do the Trogon bird's offspring. The hornets supply the birds with food and security.
Most hostile species don't make refuge for their predators and to do so contradicts the survival instinct inherent in all species. These Costa Rican hornets are known for their particularly violent and tenacious response to invaders. The fact that they allow one species to infiltrate and consume them raises obvious questions as to the origin, purpose, and benefit of such an instinct.
The Costa Rican hornets make it quite difficult for evolutionists to defer to the "desired end" as Darwin did when the evolutionary slope gets too slippery.
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The Bucket Orchid Testifies of Design and Creation
by Stephen B. Austin
http://www.discovercreation.org/newlet/Summer%202002.htm
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Not just on the topic, of Orchids

No Nonsense, Part 2

http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v6i11f.htm
It Could Not Happen By Chance
8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance.

Chance plays a part in evolution (for example, in the random mutations that can give rise to new traits), but evolution does not depend on chance to create organisms, proteins or other entities. Quite the opposite: natural selection, the principal known mechanism of evolution, harnesses nonrandom change by preserving "desirable" (adaptive) features and eliminating "undesirable" (nonadaptive) ones. As long as the forces of selection stay constant, natural selection can push evolution in one direction and produce sophisticated structures in surprisingly short times.
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There is a easy search on google, search par. "orchid, "creation" "evolution"

This is my 2 cents worth for the day... :trolls:

I also have information on over a 100 other creationist proofs, that evolution fails to even come close to fairly explaining ! :)

I did a better job on the post at this URL http://friendsof.friendstostart.com/viewtopic.php?t=60
sorry out of time today...