[Seldom Seen]

This might be of help to those who live in cities and may one day find the need to leave by unconvential methods. Fun site none the less. Inflitration. (http://www.infiltration.org/ethics.html)

[Delta Lady]

That site is a hoot. Especially liked to pools area.

[MzJag]

Seldom Seen, I'm not sure about your sewers and drains but my son works for our waste water division and trust me............that's not where I want to explore after hearing some of his contamination, bacterial and treatment facility stories. :)

[nanna]

I liked the part about the Rochester Subway system.

Cool.


nanna

[Libertarian]

I explored the storm drains of Falls Church and McLean VA back in 1972/73. I went for miles underground and scared the bejeezuz out of a few people popping up through manholes in back yards and sidewalks. We had an entrance that was just too inviting in our neighbor's backyard.

[Ought Six]

L:

I did much the same in the storm drains of west Los Angeles. I was too dumb to know about sewer gas and how deadly it is. We were both lucky.

[Libertarian]

Yep. Very lucky.

[SmartAZ]

What do you do after you fire your phazer at the door and the shot just bounces off?

[Libertarian]

see if the knob works.

[Libertarian]

I just realized that reads two ways.

If the phaser bounces, the knob disappears in fright.
If the phaser bounces, see if the door opens otherwise.

[SmartAZ]

Meanwhile back at the Batcave, Robin, not realizing Batman had disguised himself as a door, shot his knob off.

[big kumara]

Here's one from the Twin Cities area:

http://www.actionsquad.org/

My friends and I used to do abandoned buildings, caves, and any piece of land with tall fences and lots of "Keep Out" signs, but no sewers.

[Seldom Seen]

Link doesn't seem to work BK.

[SmartAZ]

Bear in mind that there are several kinds of poisonous gases produced in sewers. One of the more common gases is ... the one that stinks the most. (Sorry, I can't remember the name.) The important thing about this number is that if the concentration is high enough to be dangerous, YOU CAN'T SMELL IT ANY MORE! It deadens the sense of smell. So if you enter a hole and get that sewer smell (you might get only one whiff), and then the smell goes away, you need to turn around and get out of there. Another little problem is that the oxygen content of the air can drop, and your only clue is that you wake up dead.

[big kumara]

Link should be good...try again?

Some kids died from asphixiation last year exploring the caves/tunnels around the Wabasha Bridge in Minneapolis.

Here's an excerpt from the action squad site about one of their adventures in a sewer (hope the nanny filter's working, lol):

http://www.actionsquad.org/stahl.htm

We had about 5 or 6 blocks of this to get through before we got to where the sewer went over, under, or, hopefully, connected with, the Stahlmann Brewery Cellars. As we went deeper up the sewer, the air grew worse and worse. I noticed that the mist in the tunnel was not the standard humid tunnel fog; it formed in clouds with hazy, yet distinct, edges. I was reasonably sure these were methane clouds. There was no air movement at all. Making things worse, as we slogged through the human waste goo on the tunnel floor, bubbles rose up through the more liquid upper layers; we were freeing pockets of trapped methane created by decomposing waste.

Just as we were getting near our goal, I paused and focused on my body. My breathing was coming far too quickly. I felt out of breath, and was sweating profusely. More disturbing was my heart: it was trip hammering along just as fast as it could.

"Hey, everybody stop. Are your hearts going really, really fast?"

Everyone paused, and a round of affirmations sounded out.

"We're not getting enough oxygen. We've gotta get the **** out of here."
There was very little discussion or debate; we just turned around and started back, moving more quickly than we had on the way in.

I don't know what was going through the other guys' minds as we made our way back through the almost deep filth as fast as we could. I was trying to be calm, even as I bit on my tongue in an effort to make sure I remained fully conscious.

I mainly worried about someone passing out. What would I do (assuming it was not me that succumbed)? Try to drag the stricken person out with me, and increase the odds of passing out as well? Or leave them there, get out, and get help to come back for them? I knew the latter option was the one I should choose, but somehow I was not at all sure I could just leave someone in there to die, floating in shit.

We waded as quickly as we could; the sewage was deep, it was slippery, it was thick, and it was not conducive to rapid movement. In my haste, I splashed raw sewage up into my eye. I was too worried about losing consciousness to worry about what kind of disease my poor eyeball might come down with.

What seemed like a long, long time later, without warning, we made it to air that seemed like fresh air from heaven. To anyone else, no doubt, it would have been dank and smelled like shit … but our perceptions were a bit biased after what we'd just been through. None of us had passed out, so I never had to find out what I'd do in such a situation. Captain Nordic, who suffers from asthma to begin with, did report that he'd started seeing black spots before we hit the better air.

[Seldom Seen]

Link seems to work fine now. Dunno what happened.

Just to clarify things a bit,I should have said that I look for storm drains,not sewers. I don't think sewers are big enough around here to move around in,would be a last ditch thing anyhow. Maybe if there were armed patrols about or the town became engulfed in a firestorm.

We also have a lot of creeks that are covered here,don't know if those qualify as storm drains or not. Lots of critters live in the covered creeks(they open up every now and again) so I'm thinkin they can't be all bad. Just a handy way to get from point to point without being seen.

[Libertarian]

Yeah, I explored storm sewers not sewage sewers. Even at my worst, I was not that crazy.