[Kathy.Ca]

Wow! I did'nt know this was happening. :eek:

Read about it here: http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/

This 3 day Summit will involve US, Europe, Asia and Israel held at Jerusalem's King David Hotel.

[DarkRose]

Why the eek emoticon? Is there some significance here, I'm not getting?

[Kathy.Ca]

Here's a discussion on it:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=176596

The Jerusalem Summit to be held on November 28, 2004, will launch the development of the Council of Civilizations, which is intended to evolve into a new model for unifying the international community and providing it with an ethical compass.

The Council of Civilizations may be described as a “Voice of Ethics” for the international community, with the goal of working alongside the United Nations to fill the gap which exists in its structure.

A great deal of criticism has been voiced at the United Nations for failing in this task because it has no accountability and therefore does not command the respect of its member states. A true and lasting venue for constructive engagement must be built upon universal ethical principles: a foundation that all sides recognize as sacred. There is only one place in the world that commands the respect and awe of a majority of the world’s nations and its three major religions: Jerusalem, the Holy City.

[DarkRose]

Went to the thread and I still DGI. Not being a Christian, the significance is still lost on me unless you'd care to explain it.

[Kathy.Ca]

To put it simple. A summit held in Jerusalem (the holy land/city) regarding peace between religions is completely wrong and goes against the word of God. There are no other religions according to the bible. To discuss this on sacred soil will most likely anger God. I'd stay far away from there during this. I would'nt be shocked if something really terrible happens during this summit. It's like mocking the son of God.

I'll be watching this and Looking UP!! Hope that helps. :)

Kathy

[Plaid-Man Individual]

To put it simple. A summit held in Jerusalem (the holy land/city) regarding peace between religions is completely wrong and goes against the word of God.

So, war between religions is the option you prefer your God to prefer? Wisdom dictates we try to compromise and "live and let live" for the good of all. Sounds as if you are advocating a "kill'em all and let God sort it out" approach. The price of YOU having YOUR religious freedom is allowing religious freedom to others; simple!

There are no other religions according to the bible. What about the Jewish religion where the bible is concerned? They were first ya know.

To discuss this on sacred soil will most likely anger God. I'd stay far away from there during this. I wouldn't be shocked if something really terrible happens during this summit. It's like mocking the son of God.

I'll be watching this and Looking UP!! Hope that helps. :)

Kathy

Oh, I get it... if something does happen it's God's will and you were right... if nothing happens, your prayers and looking UP placated God's anger and convinced him not to do something terrible, and so you were right again. :rolleyes: :crazy:

[Kathy.Ca]

Your entitled to your opinion/beliefs Plaid-Man just as I am. :)

[Kathy.Ca]

2 Chronicles 6

1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

2 But I have built an house of habitation for thee, and a place for thy dwelling for ever.

3 And the king turned his face, and blessed the whole congregation of Israel: and all the congregation of Israel stood.

4 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, who hath with his hands fulfilled that which he spake with his mouth to my father David, saying,

5 Since the day that I brought forth my people out of the land of Egypt I chose no city among all the tribes of Israel to build an house in, that my name might be there; neither chose I any man to be a ruler over my people Israel:

6 But I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over my people Israel.

7 Now it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.

8 But the LORD said to David my father, Forasmuch as it was in thine heart to build an house for my name, thou didst well in that it was in thine heart:

9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name.

10 The LORD therefore hath performed his word that he hath spoken: for I am risen up in the room of David my father, and am set on the throne of Israel, as the LORD promised, and have built the house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.

11 And in it have I put the ark, wherein is the covenant of the LORD, that he made with the children of Israel.

12 And he stood before the altar of the LORD in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands:

13 For Solomon had made a brasen scaffold, of five cubits long, and five cubits broad, and three cubits high, and had set it in the midst of the court: and upon it he stood, and kneeled down upon his knees before all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven,

14 And said, O LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keepest covenant, and shewest mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts:

15 Thou which hast kept with thy servant David my father that which thou hast promised him; and spakest with thy mouth, and hast fulfilled it with thine hand, as it is this day.

16 Now therefore, O LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that which thou hast promised him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit upon the throne of Israel; yet so that thy children take heed to their way to walk in my law, as thou hast walked before me.

17 Now then, O LORD God of Israel, let thy word be verified, which thou hast spoken unto thy servant David.

18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

19 Have respect therefore to the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O LORD my God, to hearken unto the cry and the prayer which thy servant prayeth before thee:

20 That thine eyes may be open upon this house day and night, upon the place whereof thou hast said that thou wouldest put thy name there; to hearken unto the prayer which thy servant prayeth toward this place.

21 Hearken therefore unto the supplications of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, which they shall make toward this place: hear thou from thy dwelling place, even from heaven; and when thou hearest, forgive.

22 If a man sin against his neighbour, and an oath be laid upon him to make him swear, and the oath come before thine altar in this house;

23 Then hear thou from heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, by requiting the wicked, by recompensing his way upon his own head; and by justifying the righteous, by giving him according to his righteousness.

24 And if thy people Israel be put to the worse before the enemy, because they have sinned against thee; and shall return and confess thy name, and pray and make supplication before thee in this house;

25 Then hear thou from the heavens, and forgive the sin of thy people Israel, and bring them again unto the land which thou gavest to them and to their fathers.

26 When the heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; yet if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou dost afflict them;

27 Then hear thou from heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel, when thou hast taught them the good way, wherein they should walk; and send rain upon thy land, which thou hast given unto thy people for an inheritance.

28 If there be dearth in the land, if there be pestilence, if there be blasting, or mildew, locusts, or caterpillers; if their enemies besiege them in the cities of their land; whatsoever sore or whatsoever sickness there be:

29 Then what prayer or what supplication soever shall be made of any man, or of all thy people Israel, when every one shall know his own sore and his own grief, and shall spread forth his hands in this house:

30 Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men:)

31 That they may fear thee, to walk in thy ways, so long as they live in the land which thou gavest unto our fathers.

32 Moreover concerning the stranger, which is not of thy people Israel, but is come from a far country for thy great name’s sake, and thy mighty hand, and thy stretched out arm; if they come and pray in this house;

33 Then hear thou from the heavens, even from thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for; that all people of the earth may know thy name, and fear thee, as doth thy people Israel, and may know that this house which I have built is called by thy name.

34 If thy people go out to war against their enemies by the way that thou shalt send them, and they pray unto thee toward this city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name;

35 Then hear thou from the heavens their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.

36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

37 Yet if they bethink themselves in the land whither they are carried captive, and turn and pray unto thee in the land of their captivity, saying, We have sinned, we have done amiss, and have dealt wickedly;

38 If they return to thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, whither they have carried them captives, and pray toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, and toward the city which thou hast chosen, and toward the house which I have built for thy name:

39 Then hear thou from the heavens, even from thy dwelling place, their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive thy people which have sinned against thee.

40 Now, my God, let, I beseech thee, thine eyes be open, and let thine ears be attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

41 Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness.

42 O LORD God, turn not away the face of thine anointed: remember the mercies of David thy servant.

Some of you may find the above verses relevant to this thread.

[Plaid-Man Individual]

:zzz:

The "Rapture Ready Message Board > End Times Events > End Times Chat" forum is a really credible source of relevant, practical information and unbiased opinion, I'm sure. :rofl:

In some instances *Disappearance is Preferable to Interference!* :D

[Kathy.Ca]

:zzz:

The "Rapture Ready Message Board > End Times Events > End Times Chat" forum is a really credible source of relevant, practical information and unbiased opinion, I'm sure. :rofl:

In some instances *Disappearance is Preferable to Interference!* :D

I posted this for those that might be interested. I'm assuming you must be considering you keep posting on this thread. Rapture Ready is a christian board where christians discuss news they believe is related to the bible. Did I mention credibility any where? :rolleyes:

Chronicles 6 is relevant to my first post IMO. Maybe not to you and that's just fine.

[H2O]

I also would stay away from the Jerusalem Summit.
It may indeed anger YHWH.
In light of the current locust plague, and all,it seems that God Almighty is
recompencing at this very moment.

I thank you for your post !

H2O was lifestuff at tb2k

[Kathy.Ca]

Jerusalem Declaration

We have commenced this conference because we realize that our civilization has reached a turning point. While its basic security and fundamental humanistic values are challenged by a new form of totalitarianism called Radical Islam, our resolve to fight it is simultaneously undermined by the false philosophy of Moral Relativism.

We hold the struggle against totalitarianism, previously manifested by Communism and Fascism, to be the contemporary history's greatest test and challenge. Radical Islam is the third such attempt in 100 years to strangle the Free World-a very lethal attempt whose perpetrators cynically exploit the very openness of the democratic society that they seek to destroy.

Our opponents have hijacked issues like human rights and national self-determination and use them to falsely mask the ideology of Jihad. Existing international organizations provide virtually no effective moral compass. We must find a new basis for uniting the nations and use it to develop an effective moral, military and political strategy for defending our civilization.

We believe that the principles of this Declaration will help define this strategy and serve as a cornerstone upon which all the forces resisting totalitarianism and moral corrosion can unite.


I. COUNCIL OF CIVILIZATIONS

The United Nations Organization has betrayed its democratic principles, turning into a tribalized confederation hijacked by Third World dictatorships, eager to aid and abet radical Islam in any way possible. While the West is the founder and the financial sponsor of the UN, this agency in its present form cannot guarantee the survival of our civilization.

The radical disparity in the political maturity of member countries has resulted in the abuse of democratic rule by simple majority. Since the Jihad impulse of radical Islam inevitably leads to a clash of civilizations, it is the principal civilizations (Europe, United States, Latin America, etc.) that should be represented in a new kind of Council, with each grouping given one vote. This will facilitate common policies against radical Islam, which will not enjoy a majority as it musters automatically in other global forums.

The principal duty of this new Council will be to reach an agreement on common moral values and adhere to them in promoting brotherly co-existence of different nations on earth. It will support international laws, foster security and advocate equitable economic and environmental policies.

The emergence of the Civilizations Council will not render the UN obsolete; the latter can still perform a number of useful functions, including humanitarian tasks, though power should not be used to prop up totalitarian regimes whose very existence contradicts the UN charter and the laws of humanity.


II. ISRAEL AS THE KEY TO THE HARMONY OF CIVILIZATIONS

Billions of people believe that Jerusalem's spiritual and historical importance endows it with a special authority to become a center of world's unity.
Israel's unique geographic and historic position at the crossroads of civilizations enables it to reconcile their conflicts. Israel's unique spiritual experience enables it to find a golden mean between the fault lines dividing civilizations: between tradition and modernity, religion and science, authority and democracy.

We call upon all nations to choose Jerusalem, the eternal and indivisible capital of Israel, as a center for this evolving new unity. We believe that one of the objectives of Israel's divinely-inspired rebirth is to make it the center of the new unity of the nations, which will lead to an era of peace and prosperity, foretold by the Prophets.

Most Islamic countries, regrettably, have sworn to destroy Israel. We call on the countries of the Free World to realize the following: if the people of Israel can live in peace in their Promised Land, peace will have a chance to reign in the whole world. If radical Islam succeeds in destroying Israel, there will never be peace, and Western civilization will fall to Jihad as well.

For the sake of the entire world and therein, the land of Israel must belong to the people of Israel.


III. PLO STATE AS A THREAT TO PEACE

Supporting the creation of a PLO state in Judea and Samaria is a historical injustice of colossal proportion.

A tiny democracy is urged to concede the only thing it lacks - territory - to totalitarian regimes in exchange for the promises of the only thing they cannot provide - peace.

In pressuring to attain this suicidal arrangement, the "free world" betrays the very principles on which it is based. Anti-Israel and anti-Zionist attitudes, which disguise primordial anti-Semitism, constitute one area where hypocrisy in international politics is most visible.

The genesis of a totalitarian PLO state would represent an act of surrender to radical Islam's false rhetoric and a capitulation to terror.

The totalitarian PLO state would become a safe haven for international terrorism, a new Taliban-esque refuge, replete with plots to destroy both Israel and the West. Thus the future generations of the Free World will pay in blood for their fathers' moral blindness.

We call on the government of Israel to provide moral leadership to the world in the struggle against terror:
Cease negotiating with terrorists and proffering mass releases of captured murderers.
Eliminate the terror-sponsoring capabilities of the Palestinian Authority.
Liberate Arabs residing in Judea, Samaria and Gaza from the Jihad propaganda machine, which has turned them into a morally depraved people who worship murder and terror.
Promote a viable humanistic alternative for just and secure peace instead of creating a terrorist PLO state.

We call on all free nations to:
Unite in order to remove from power despotic Islamic regimes and re-educate an entire generation of Muslim children to embrace the democratic traditions of normative Islam.
Recognize the PLO/ PA as the terrorist organization which it is.
Cease forcing Israel to negotiate with terrorists.
Encourage Israel to establish full sovereignty throughout the land of Israel.


IY. UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES IN THE WAR ON TERROR

To wage a war against terror consistently and confidently, we must underscore the following aspects:

A. Political

We must reaffirm our faith in our values and the righteousness of our cause.

Western civilization must assume the responsibility for the millions of people who still live under despotic regimes and do their utmost to liberate them. The regimes that refuse to fight terrorism actively will be considered terrorist, and will risk removal through regime change.

All of their circle of influence -- government, clergy, media, and the armed forces -- will be held accountable for the terror acts committed with their support.

Terrorism should be regarded as a crime against humanity, and not a criminal phenomenon that can be solved by political negotiations, social benefits or economic improvement.

Finally, the ideology of Jihad must be declared a form of racism and genocide.

B. Military

We must reject the doctrine of "symmetrical response". The war against terrorism must be total, with the objective being its complete elimination.

Regimes that sponsor terror operations and allow terrorists to hide among civilians will be held responsible for any collateral damage stemming from military retaliation or liquidation of terrorists.

Terrorists should not be dealt with through ordinary judicial procedures. Their cases require emergency legislation and trials by special military courts.

C. Economical

All nations should join the US in curbing "charities" that serve as a facade for terrorism. Since Middle East oil profits have become the means of sponsoring terrorism, we must seek to establish an international trust over the regional oil reserves and using them for the welfare and enlightenment of local people. These monies will also be used towards dismantling the so-called "refugee" camps, which are currently the hotbeds of terrorism, and the resettlement of their residents. Alternative energy resources in, by and for the democratic nations must be encouraged and developed as an urgent global priority.

D. Media

We are appalled by media attempts to establish "moral equivalence" between the blood of innocents murdered by terrorists and the casualties among civilians used by terrorists as a protective shield. We must draw a clear line between terrorist acts and counter-terrorist measures.

We must dismantle the slick propaganda machine of Jihad. This includes denying publicity to terrorists and their apologists, and taking harsh sanctions against media that persist in rationalizing terror.

We must find the way to tell the decent men and women of the Islamic world the truth about the real state of corruption and tyranny in Islamic countries in general and under the Palestinian Authority in particular, encouraging them to overthrow their domineering dictatorships.

E. Academia

We must reject moral relativism and confront creeping "anti-Zionism" on Western campuses.

We must actively sponsor those who suffered the persecution from radical regimes to tour campuses and lecture students about the real objectives of radical Islam and consequences of failure to resist it.


CONCLUSION

The front line in the war we are fighting rests in the birthplace of Judeo-Christian civilization. The stakes are high: if Israel and Jerusalem are fortified, they will become the center where mankind will gather to usher in an era of peace and prosperity. But the West's failure to save them may well spell doom for civilization itself.

Just as in the past the Free World stood together against Fascism and Communism, so it today must do to combat the third challenge: radical Islam. We prevailed then, and we shall prevail now. United around Jerusalem and armed with our eternal values, we cannot fail.